rec.autos.simulators

by **Kirn Crom** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Ed or Rick,

Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms of
racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that you
guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of the
most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack of
time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products. Sure,
we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of racing,
but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
America.

Kirn Cromur

by **Pete Resto** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Ed or Rick,

> Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms of
> racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that you
> guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
> additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of the
> most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack of
> time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products. Sure,
> we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of racing,
> but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
> America.

Kirn, from a participant point of view there may be no other motorracing sport
with as many people actually doing it! The crowds aren't bad either! I may be biased
in my veiw though! :-)

Pete

by **Ed Mart** » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Ed or Rick,

>Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms of
>racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that you
>guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
>additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of the
>most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack of
>time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products. Sure,
>we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of racing,
>but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
>America.

>Kirn Cromur

I take it that you don't own any Siera stock??? :-)

Ed Martin
Producer, Series Director
NASCAR Racing League
Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

by **Neil Yeatma** » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> > Ed or Rick,

> > Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms of
> > racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that you
> > guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
> > additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of the
> > most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack of
> > time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products. Sure,
> > we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of racing,
> > but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
> > America.

> Kirn, from a participant point of view there may be no other motorracing sport
> with as many people actually doing it! The crowds aren't bad either! I may be biased
> in my veiw though! :-)

> Pete

I can't quite agree with Kirn on the "no new products" concept, I think other
race sims would be great...I can name several that would be very interesting.

Motorcycles such as GP or dirt, especially GP, but not Road Rash clones (oops,
too late). Car racing like Can-Am, SCCA, BTCC, Super Modifieds, Go-Carts, Classic
Formula 1 (from the fifties), dirt track (Outlaws), Baja-buggy things...any of
these would be great. Even Monster Trucks would be tons o'fun. Or Boats!

But really, NHRA? How much fun would that be? All the fun in drag racing is
in the garage so you can set up for a 7-10 second race that barely requires
the use of a steering wheel? I think NOT!

NHRA is a great spectator sport....the noise, the flash, the noise, the smell of
burning ***, the smoke, and the noise (!) all make for a lot of fun at the
local airport, but how could this be a fun sim with replay value? I don't see it.

Neil
--
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel..

Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Pete Resto** » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> But really, NHRA? How much fun would that be? All the fun in drag racing is
> in the garage so you can set up for a 7-10 second race that barely requires
> the use of a steering wheel? I think NOT!

> NHRA is a great spectator sport....the noise, the flash, the noise, the smell of
> burning ***, the smoke, and the noise (!) all make for a lot of fun at the
> local airport, but how could this be a fun sim with replay value? I don't see it.

Neil, realizing we all have our personal prefs but one of the biggest challenges of
racing any vehicle is setting up the chassis and dialing it in to the track. Whether it be
Nascar, IndyCar, Formula 1 or motorcyles! The thing that would be the most fun about an NHRA sim
would be learning to dial an engine in to the weather. We have all got a taste of what is
required in real life to setup a Nascar or Indy chassis and with the pending release of F1GP 2,
it as well but to my knowledge we haven't seen anything for us horse power freaks to test and
tune with! These complexities haven't been addressed in any serious sim to date that I have ever
seen. What better way to learn than with something that is 80% engine and clutch and 20% chassis.
I have learned a tremendous amount about what is required to race a Nascar or Indy Car, to the
point I have been able to carry on semi-intelligent conversations with real life Indy Car
drivers, SCCA Trans-AM racers and other forms of racing as well! Not the fact to mention the
reflexs and timing involved as well.
Do you know what is required to tune a nitro funny car? Do you know what is required to
figure out the clutch settings to get 6000 HP to the ground? Have you seen the weather stations
these guys carry around with them. True, maybe this wouldn't appeal to you but I can think of
hundreds of people I know in Drag racing that it sure would! Plus, almost everyone of them is
carrying a PC of some discription around with them.
Hopefully, I haven't bored you with my biased view and maybe this technical side wouldn't
be of interest to others as it is me but I think it would be great!
Besides, Papyrus, has assured me if they do the game they will package the smell of nitro
and have the game release tire smoke when doing the burn out in the bleach box! :-)

Pete

> Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Whatbra** » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Kirn, from a participant point of view there may be no other
motorracing
>sport
>with as many people actually doing it! The crowds aren't bad either! I
may be
>biased
>in my veiw though! :-)

> Pete

Besides what other motorsport can you practice on the way to work at the
stoplights?;-)

Gene

by **John Simmo** » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>
>> Ed or Rick,
>>
>> Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms of
>> racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that you
>> guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
>> additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of the
>> most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack of
>> time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products. Sure,
>> we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of racing,
>> but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
>> America.
>>
> Kirn, from a participant point of view there may be no other
> motorracing sport
>with as many people actually doing it! The crowds aren't bad either! I may be
> biased
>in my veiw though! :-)

Drag racing takes no talent. Anymore, it's automatic transmissions and
computer controlled induction. All you do is stab the gas and hold on. Ooooh
ahhhh. I have to agree with the first guy (Kim) - an NHRA simuulator would be
a burden on Papyrus' already stressed programming resources. I'd buy ICR2
before I bought anything to do with NHRA....

How about an air racing simulator. I'd like to throw a modified P-51 around
the pylons a few times...

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by **Terry Hen** » Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>Ed or Rick,

>>Please DO NOT even consider ideas of products such as NHRA other forms
of
>>racing. It's bad enough that there is so much demand on Papyrus that
you
>>guys can barely keep up with the NASCAR and Indy simulations without
>>additional products complicating the situation. The fact that some of
the
>>most critical improvements to NASCAR Racing cannot be made due to lack
of
>>time is a sign that Papyrus should stick to its two racing products.
Sure,
>>we'd all love to have great simulations of practically any form of
racing,
>>but let's stick to the two largest and most successful series in North
>>America.

>>Kirn Cromur

>I take it that you don't own any Siera stock??? :-)

>Ed Martin
>Producer, Series Director
>NASCAR Racing League
>Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

Ed, I would really like to see a sprint car sim. Nothing like turning
right to go left!

Terry

by **Whatbra** » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00

yeah right, you tell Joh Force it takes no talent to go 300MPH in just 5
seconds. Have you ever watched this sport. Have you ever seen the in car
camera shots as a pro stock car is racing for a low 7 sec pass they shift
manually and you better get the shift right cause 1 missed shift and its
over.

Racing airplanes sounds like as much fun as wathcing paint dry. unless you
crash into the other plane or the ground its not like you have to worry
about hitting a wall or making any pit decions.

Gene

by **Neil Yeatma** » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> > But really, NHRA? How much fun would that be? All the fun in drag racing is
> > in the garage so you can set up for a 7-10 second race that barely requires
> > the use of a steering wheel? I think NOT!

> Do you know what is required to tune a nitro funny car? Do you know what is required to
> figure out the clutch settings to get 6000 HP to the ground? Have you seen the weather stations
> these guys carry around with them. True, maybe this wouldn't appeal to you but I can think of
> hundreds of people I know in Drag racing that it sure would! Plus, almost everyone of them is
> carrying a PC of some discription around with them.

Nope, I don't know, and personally, I really don't care, from a "driving sim" standpoint. I'm
one of those guys that gets little or no joy from setting up ICR2 cars...I would prefer to have
a computerized crew chief to follow my direction and give me the settings I need.

I just want to drive, and I don't want to do it in 7-second increments. Hopefully if Papyrus
follows through on a drag racing game, they'll put out a demo version...that way I'll get all
the fix I need, and won't have any need to buy it.

Let's get the ICR2 version of Hawaii out first (and available locally in Canada!), then Papyrus
is free to do whatever the hell they want, including the Nanaimo Bathtub races, Soapbox Derby,
and 3 legged-races.

Are we talking Scratch n'Sniff here, Pete?

Neil
--
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel..

Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Eldred Picke** » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Drag racing takes no talent. Anymore, it's automatic transmissions and
>computer controlled induction. All you do is stab the gas and hold on. Ooooh
>ahhhh. I have to agree with the first guy (Kim) - an NHRA simuulator would be
>a burden on Papyrus' already stressed programming resources. I'd buy ICR2
>before I bought anything to do with NHRA....

Although I don't have any(much) interest in NHRA, I think it DOES take talent.
Otherwise, you wouldn't see cars smoking the tires, or detonating engines...

throw a modified P-51 around >the pylons a few times...

I can't even RELATE to this. Not a flame, I just don't know ANYTHING about
air racing. What's it like?

________

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

by **John Simmo** » Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>
>>Drag racing takes no talent. Anymore, it's automatic transmissions and
>>computer controlled induction. All you do is stab the gas and hold on. Ooooh
>>ahhhh. I have to agree with the first guy (Kim) - an NHRA simuulator would be
>>a burden on Papyrus' already stressed programming resources. I'd buy ICR2
>>before I bought anything to do with NHRA....
>
>Although I don't have any(much) interest in NHRA, I think it DOES take talent.
> Otherwise, you wouldn't see cars smoking the tires, or detonating engines...

The entire race is run/executed in the pits. Tire compounds, gears, motor
changes are done one time. If a car doesn't win, it's because of the
mechanics - NOT the driver. The only reason they have a driver is because
it's cheaper than setting up all the electronics to remotely control the
car.

>>How about an air racing simulator. I'd like to throw a modified P-51 around
>>the pylons a few times...
>
>I can't even RELATE to this. Not a flame, I just don't know ANYTHING about
>air racing. What's it like?
>

They set up two - 4 pylons on a closed course and several planes race
around them. The plane of choice (it seems) is the P51. Kinda like Nascar
at 250 feet above the ground...

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by **Gregory Fu** » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>The entire race is run/executed in the pits. Tire compounds, gears, motor
>changes are done one time. If a car doesn't win, it's because of the
>mechanics - NOT the driver. The only reason they have a driver is because
>it's cheaper than setting up all the electronics to remotely control the
>car.

That just does it, can't really stay quiet anymore. I'm not a drag racer,
but I KNOW it takes talent to DRIVE a DRAGSTER. What you are saying is
that you can hop into Joe Amato's seat and do a 300mph run. I've even give
you a month of training, if you were even ALLOWed to try it. YOU WON'T
(99.99% certain).

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

by **John Mela** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>> Kirn, from a participant point of view there may be no other
>motorracing
>>sport
>>with as many people actually doing it! The crowds aren't bad either! I
>may be
>>biased
>>in my veiw though! :-)

>> Pete

>Besides what other motorsport can you practice on the way to work at the
>stoplights?;-)

Tell me about it! I tried taking 'apex' (NASCAR style) turns on a
local expressway and got pulled over by the cops! ;)

They're not bugs! They're random features!

by **enzo** » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Personally I really want to see a World Rally Championship sim,
NASCAR may be the hottest spectator sport in America, but WRC is the
most popular spectator motorsport in the world.

Besides, 4wd turbo street cars sliding around dirt courses - can
rallying be anything but *fun*? :)

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