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my poor racing etiquette

jon

my poor racing etiquette

by jon » Thu, 23 May 2002 03:54:44

Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came
around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming
up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however
they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and
hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess.
Subsequently, I was told that I  "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several
others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get
out of their way?
John Pancoas

my poor racing etiquette

by John Pancoas » Thu, 23 May 2002 04:16:11

  It depends on the track, etc., but generally, going high is a safe bet.
Having said that, sounds like they could have been a bit more patient too;
they sound like the "I've caught up to you, move over NOW" types.

  -John


Mike

my poor racing etiquette

by Mike » Thu, 23 May 2002 04:22:30

lol that actually happened to me once as well..  I was without draft at
talladega and the pack of leaders were just coming up *real* fast, I had the
same concerns as you in that I didn't know if I were to go high that they
would be able to move in time, so i stayed kinda in the middle and ended up
causing a pretty big wreck.. luckily it was only a 10 lapper for fun..

but I wouldn't worry about it... since that incident i've always gone high
and it's never failed yet..


Ian

my poor racing etiquette

by Ian » Thu, 23 May 2002 04:33:21

If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to pass you
not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into them IMHO.
If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady
line, I'd say it was my fault.
If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay high in a
turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely to catch me
on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'm wrong,
but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows)
I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to think I'm
reasonably safe ;)

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>


Rob Adam

my poor racing etiquette

by Rob Adam » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:06:41

I'd much rather have somebody I'm lapping hold his line than make some
erratic move to get out of my way. Your #1 job is to be consistent and
predictable. Their #1 job is to get around you safely.

Of course I'd never tell anybody he "sucked a**" either, because I generally
try to have a bit more class than that. Unfortunately, the only guaranteed
way to get away from jerks like that is to join a league or only race with
friends.

jon

my poor racing etiquette

by jon » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:11:22

Thing was, they hit me towards the end of the straight at daytona. First two
got by ok ,third hit me. Guess he didn't see past the other two.

> If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to pass
you
> not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into them IMHO.
> If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady
> line, I'd say it was my fault.
> If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay high in
a
> turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely to catch
me
> on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'm
wrong,
> but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows)
> I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to think I'm
> reasonably safe ;)

> --

> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spam>



> > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders
> came
> > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were
coming
> > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around
however
> > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same
and
> > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess.
> > Subsequently, I was told that I  "sucked a**". This was confirmed by
> several
> > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to
> get
> > out of their way?

Rob Adam

my poor racing etiquette

by Rob Adam » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:20:34

Possibly he has a low-spec PC and had to turn "cars ahead" way down. Still
no excuse to be rude to you though.

ymenar

my poor racing etiquette

by ymenar » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:24:10


> Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders
came
> around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming
> up fast.

What sim? track? corner? ;)

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SimRace

my poor racing etiquette

by SimRace » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:43:48


You didn't do anything wrong. It is best to hold a line and let the
overtaking drivers pick high or low and let them do their thing. The only
thing worse than catching a much slower car while in a line and at speed is
for that driver to make a sudden erratic movement. The only other thing you
may have been able to do is pick a line and autochat to the approaching
driver to 'pass low' or 'pass high' and hope they have enough awareness to
know that it is you telling them this...

Ed Solhei

my poor racing etiquette

by Ed Solhei » Thu, 23 May 2002 05:56:19

If you held you line - it's **allways** the faster driver's responsibility
to make a safe pass.
As long as you dont drive like 'Swervin Irvan'... - it's their
responsibility not to***things up.
End on story.

--
ed_

"jon" said:

Steve Blankenshi

my poor racing etiquette

by Steve Blankenshi » Thu, 23 May 2002 06:15:38

Their mistake, compounded by rudeness.  In a Nascar race, too - go figure...
;-)

SB

PS - it's a good idea to use the autochat keys to tell guys which way to go
in such situations and then make room for them in that direction.  You might
also reserve a key for " I TOLD you to go high/low; can't you read?"  Might
come in handy!


> Thing was, they hit me towards the end of the straight at daytona. First
two
> got by ok ,third hit me. Guess he didn't see past the other two.


> > If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to pass
> you
> > not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into them
IMHO.
> > If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady
> > line, I'd say it was my fault.
> > If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay high
in
> a
> > turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely to
catch
> me
> > on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'm
> wrong,
> > but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows)
> > I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to think
I'm
> > reasonably safe ;)

> > --

> > Ian P
> > <email invalid due to spam>



> > > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the
leaders
> > came
> > > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were
> coming
> > > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around
> however
> > > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same
> and
> > > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess.
> > > Subsequently, I was told that I  "sucked a**". This was confirmed by
> > several
> > > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go
to
> > get
> > > out of their way?

Jon Anderse

my poor racing etiquette

by Jon Anderse » Thu, 23 May 2002 07:25:37

This is one of the reasons for me quitting N4 after 6 weeks or so. I had
been doing GPL online for 1-2 years prior to my entrance to the N4
community. In GPL, most ppl keep quiet during race, or if the cause
accident, they type "sry", which are being responded by "np". Not so in N4.

In N4, some kind of accident would happen, and all hell would break loose.
Flaming all over the place. I once was flamed heavily for being rearended at
Daytona, in spite of me being in the lead pack and keeping my line. Go
figure.

For some mysterious reason, a few people seems to have a gas pedal that
cannot be lifted.

If you are being lapped, and you do not realize it until it is practically
too late: Keep your line. If they know that you will hold your line, they
can pass safely. If you change line when they are passing... well... close
your eyes, 'cause heavy flaming is about to happen.

As long as you are not blocking, and are behaving in a predictable way, I'd
say you are doing the right thing. If you, in spite of this, are being rear
ended, then I'd say that the rear ender is at fault.

Jon Andersen



David Butter

my poor racing etiquette

by David Butter » Thu, 23 May 2002 07:45:26


I don't race online in anything but GPL, so have minimal multiplayer
oval experience, but as far as Daytona goes (and Milano, which includes
a "half-oval"), the single worst thing is when the car being lapped
makes an unexpected sudden movement. Of course (especially at Milano),
GPL cars break away quite easily on very banked corners, so that's just
bad luck, but as far as I'm concerned if the driver you're lapping
holds their line, and you still crash into them, it's your fault.

(Of course, you have to be *very* careful when lapping a group of more
than one car, as [in most cases] GPL drivers can only see one car in
their mirrors...)

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Biz

my poor racing etiquette

by Biz » Thu, 23 May 2002 08:01:58

When you see lead cars or packs approaching, pick your lane, usually the higher lane in turns, and
use your F keys to tell them where you want them to pass you.  On another note, the leaders/lead
pack should also be using their F keys to signal where they intend to go.  Looks like everyone takes
a little blame for that incident, but of course the faster guys never see it as any responsiblilty
of theirs to make safe passes

> Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came
> around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming
> up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however
> they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and
> hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess.
> Subsequently, I was told that I  "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several
> others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get
> out of their way?

Dale Gree

my poor racing etiquette

by Dale Gree » Thu, 23 May 2002 09:34:21


Yeah, I agree.  It's kinda like driving when an emergency vehicle is coming
up behind you... if you can't get to the curb but there's room to the left
or right then just hold your line, they'll go around you.

Dale.


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