rec.autos.simulators

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> Marc.

> > You don't say anything about FFB (Ferrari wheel in my case) in the
readme,
> > but fixed it is.  Huge improvement over 1.0.  Thanks!

> > For those of you unaware of the problems, it was very weak and would
tend
> to
> > lots of spurious quakes and motions.  Others reported that it would conk
> out
> > completely, though I never had that happen.

> > Marc.

> > --

> > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > to take effect. Reboot now?

> > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.

> > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town & Country
> > Station Wagon.

> > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering' feels
like
> :)

> > -Larry

> Hi Larry

> I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the steering
> ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down sides
> though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you arrive
at
> for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I start to
get
> spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering ratio
down
> makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with the
> wheel.

> Mark

> |


> | > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> | >
> | > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town & Country
> | > Station Wagon.
> | >
> | > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering' feels
> like
> | :)
> | >
> | > -Larry
> |
> | Hi Larry
> |
> | I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> | Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the steering
> | ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down sides
> | though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> | experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
arrive
> at
> | for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I start to
> get
> | spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering ratio
> down
> | makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with the
> | wheel.
> |
> | Mark
> |
> |
> |

> > FWIW & My 2cents,
> > When I first got my FFB wheel I felt that most of my sim racing steer
> > "lock" had to be dropped! I have always raced with a low lock from
> > World Circuit Racing by Micoprose {without FFB} and nothing has
> > changed with FFB except I have dropped down further!
> > In ICR2 I used a 14:1 to 12:1 and GPL I used the same but when I
> > got my FFB wheel I dropped it more! For me  the super light touch
> > is the only' way to go! But many drive differently and I can see how
> > many want the higher steer lock..
> > The lower 'lock' has always let me acquire faster lap times and with
> > the FFB it is even better! Especially in N4! To be honest for a long
> > time I thought everyone used at least a 14:1 lock in all sims...duh!!!
> > Soon I found out otherwise. "O" Well different strokes for different
> > folks..eh???  Happy Racing..
> > Cheers Thom_j.
> > P.S. Gee I never messed with the latency setting before. I wonder
> > if I could 'squezze' another sec or 2 from Dega & Tona? Hmmm?

> > |


> > | > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > | >
> > | > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
Country
> > | > Station Wagon.
> > | >
> > | > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering' feels
> > like
> > | :)
> > | >
> > | > -Larry
> > |
> > | Hi Larry
> > |
> > | I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > | Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
steering
> > | ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
sides
> > | though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> > | experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> arrive
> > at
> > | for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I start
to
> > get
> > | spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering ratio
> > down
> > | makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with the
> > | wheel.
> > |
> > | Mark
> > |
> > |
> > |

> Marc.

> > I think the force effects in N4 are perfect! I use the Act labs force
rs.
> > Yiou guys having problem ...have yall tried adjusting the castor
settings
> in
> > the setup. More positive caster wil give you a heavier wheel. I can even
> > feel a diference as to how much air is in the tires!

> > > FWIW & My 2cents,
> > > When I first got my FFB wheel I felt that most of my sim racing steer
> > > "lock" had to be dropped! I have always raced with a low lock from
> > > World Circuit Racing by Micoprose {without FFB} and nothing has
> > > changed with FFB except I have dropped down further!
> > > In ICR2 I used a 14:1 to 12:1 and GPL I used the same but when I
> > > got my FFB wheel I dropped it more! For me  the super light touch
> > > is the only' way to go! But many drive differently and I can see how
> > > many want the higher steer lock..
> > > The lower 'lock' has always let me acquire faster lap times and with
> > > the FFB it is even better! Especially in N4! To be honest for a long
> > > time I thought everyone used at least a 14:1 lock in all sims...duh!!!
> > > Soon I found out otherwise. "O" Well different strokes for different
> > > folks..eh???  Happy Racing..
> > > Cheers Thom_j.
> > > P.S. Gee I never messed with the latency setting before. I wonder
> > > if I could 'squezze' another sec or 2 from Dega & Tona? Hmmm?

> > > |


> > > | > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > > | >
> > > | > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> Country
> > > | > Station Wagon.
> > > | >
> > > | > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
feels
> > > like
> > > | :)
> > > | >
> > > | > -Larry
> > > |
> > > | Hi Larry
> > > |
> > > | I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > > | Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> steering
> > > | ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
> sides
> > > | though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> > > | experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> > arrive
> > > at
> > > | for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
start
> to
> > > get
> > > | spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
ratio
> > > down
> > > | makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with
the
> > > | wheel.
> > > |
> > > | Mark
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |

> | If you get the castor set good it makes the car drive a little better
but
> | it also gives you better feel. Its just like any other part of the setup
> and
> | ther always are chioces to make. I have some very good setups for speed
> and
> | wear and they all have alot of good feel through the wheel, so we
already
> | have what your talking about. If you find a good ratio that you cant
live
> | without then all you have to do is keep the same ratio and adjust it
that
> | way. Castor is not gonna make a drastic difference in speed though.
> |


> | > Some of us try to use the amount of castor that optimises the speed
and
> | > set-up of the car.  Why would anyone want to adjust it just so that
you
> | can
> | > get appropriate FFB?  Shouldn't Papy design the FFB to work with all
> | set-ups
> | > and tracks?  Does a real car steering wheel lose all the feedback with
a
> | > castor adjustment?  It should feel different with the castor
adjustment,
> | not
> | > make the difference of being there or not there.
> | >
> | > Marc.
> | >


> | > > I think the force effects in N4 are perfect! I use the Act labs
force
> | rs.
> | > > Yiou guys having problem ...have yall tried adjusting the castor
> | settings
> | > in
> | > > the setup. More positive caster wil give you a heavier wheel. I can
> even
> | > > feel a diference as to how much air is in the tires!
> | > >
> | > >


> | > > > FWIW & My 2cents,
> | > > > When I first got my FFB wheel I felt that most of my sim racing
> steer
> | > > > "lock" had to be dropped! I have always raced with a low lock from
> | > > > World Circuit Racing by Micoprose {without FFB} and nothing has
> | > > > changed with FFB except I have dropped down further!
> | > > > In ICR2 I used a 14:1 to 12:1 and GPL I used the same but when I
> | > > > got my FFB wheel I dropped it more! For me  the super light touch
> | > > > is the only' way to go! But many drive differently and I can see
how
> | > > > many want the higher steer lock..
> | > > > The lower 'lock' has always let me acquire faster lap times and
with
> | > > > the FFB it is even better! Especially in N4! To be honest for a
long
> | > > > time I thought everyone used at least a 14:1 lock in all
> sims...duh!!!
> | > > > Soon I found out otherwise. "O" Well different strokes for
different
> | > > > folks..eh???  Happy Racing..
> | > > > Cheers Thom_j.
> | > > > P.S. Gee I never messed with the latency setting before. I wonder
> | > > > if I could 'squezze' another sec or 2 from Dega & Tona? Hmmm?
> | > > >


> | > > > |


> | > > > | > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> | > > > | >
> | > > > | > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> | > Country
> | > > > | > Station Wagon.
> | > > > | >
> | > > > | > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
> | feels
> | > > > like
> | > > > | :)
> | > > > | >
> | > > > | > -Larry
> | > > > |
> | > > > | Hi Larry
> | > > > |
> | > > > | I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> | > > > | Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> | > steering
> | > > > | ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The
down
> | > sides
> | > > > | though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking
> so
> | > > > | experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting
you
> | > > arrive
> | > > > at
> | > > > | for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
> | start
> | > to
> | > > > get
> | > > > | spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
> | ratio
> | > > > down
> | > > > | makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch
with
> | the
> | > > > | wheel.
> | > > > |
> | > > > | Mark
> | > > > |
> | > > > |
> | > > > |
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |

> & FWIW <g>
> This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will see the
> lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher! Wow!!
> I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that is why
> they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> Cheers Thom_j.

> | Mark,
> |
> | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does help.
> |
> | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel like it
> needs
> | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever was at
> | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> |
> | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> |
> | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the steering
> | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> |
> | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code going.
> | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in N4.
> |
> | Thanks for the idea!
> |
> | -Larry


> | >


> | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> | > >
> | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
Country
> | > > Station Wagon.
> | > >
> | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering' feels
> | like
> | > :)
> | > >
> | > > -Larry
> | >
> | > Hi Larry
> | >
> | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
steering
> | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
sides
> | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> arrive
> | at
> | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I start
to
> | get
> | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering ratio
> | down
> | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with the
> | > wheel.
> | >
> | > Mark
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |

> -Larry

> > & FWIW <g>
> > This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will see the
> > lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher! Wow!!
> > I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> > at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that is
why
> > they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> > Cheers Thom_j.

> > | Mark,
> > |
> > | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does help.
> > |
> > | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel like it
> > needs
> > | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever was
at
> > | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> > |
> > | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> > |
> > | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the steering
> > | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> > |
> > | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code going.
> > | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in N4.
> > |
> > | Thanks for the idea!
> > |
> > | -Larry


> > | >


> > | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > | > >
> > | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> Country
> > | > > Station Wagon.
> > | > >
> > | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
feels
> > | like
> > | > :)
> > | > >
> > | > > -Larry
> > | >
> > | > Hi Larry
> > | >
> > | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> steering
> > | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
> sides
> > | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking so
> > | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> > arrive
> > | at
> > | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
start
> to
> > | get
> > | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
ratio
> > | down
> > | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with
the
> > | > wheel.
> > | >
> > | > Mark
> > | >
> > | >
> > | >
> > |
> > |