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Thanks Papy for fixing FFB

Larr

Thanks Papy for fixing FFB

by Larr » Sat, 05 May 2001 04:29:15

Hehe :)

-Larry


> Hahahaha.. Now this is funny!! You prefer tossing the wheel back
> & forth 90&90 and I want it to barely move 3/4" each way!! See
> Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry..<RBFG> Thom_j.



> | I wanna have to actually crank that puppy around by 90 deg in the turns
at
> | the SS's !
> |
> | -Larry
> |


> | >
> | > & FWIW <g>
> | > This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will see
the
> | > lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher! Wow!!
> | > I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> | > at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that is
> why
> | > they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> | > Cheers Thom_j.
> | >


> | > | Mark,
> | > |
> | > | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does
help.
> | > |
> | > | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel like
it
> | > needs
> | > | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever was
> at
> | > | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> | > |
> | > | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> | > |
> | > | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the
steering
> | > | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> | > |
> | > | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code going.
> | > | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in N4.
> | > |
> | > | Thanks for the idea!
> | > |
> | > | -Larry


> | > | >


> | > | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> | Country
> | > | > > Station Wagon.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
> feels
> | > | like
> | > | > :)
> | > | > >
> | > | > > -Larry
> | > | >
> | > | > Hi Larry
> | > | >
> | > | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> | > | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> | steering
> | > | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
> | sides
> | > | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking
so
> | > | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> | > arrive
> | > | at
> | > | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
> start
> | to
> | > | get
> | > | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
> ratio
> | > | down
> | > | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with
> the
> | > | > wheel.
> | > | >
> | > | > Mark
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |

Larr

Thanks Papy for fixing FFB

by Larr » Sat, 05 May 2001 04:30:48

As has been brought up before, Liniarity won't do it.  It just doesn't feel
right.

It has to be Linear.

The RATIO range needs to be increased.

Anyone used to running 5 in N3 for steering is gonna have a fit with N4,
even at 32:1.

-Larry


> That's easy, set steering linearity at 0% if that's your bag, personally
I'm
> of the least movement in the wheel the better cam :o)

> Mark



> > I wanna have to actually crank that puppy around by 90 deg in the turns
at
> > the SS's !

> > -Larry



> > > & FWIW <g>
> > > This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will see
the
> > > lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher! Wow!!
> > > I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> > > at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that is
> why
> > > they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> > > Cheers Thom_j.



> > > | Mark,
> > > |
> > > | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does
help.
> > > |
> > > | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel like
it
> > > needs
> > > | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever was
> at
> > > | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> > > |
> > > | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> > > |
> > > | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the
steering
> > > | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> > > |
> > > | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code going.
> > > | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in N4.
> > > |
> > > | Thanks for the idea!
> > > |
> > > | -Larry


> > > | >


> > > | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > > | > >
> > > | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> > Country
> > > | > > Station Wagon.
> > > | > >
> > > | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
> feels
> > > | like
> > > | > :)
> > > | > >
> > > | > > -Larry
> > > | >
> > > | > Hi Larry
> > > | >
> > > | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > > | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> > steering
> > > | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The down
> > sides
> > > | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking
so
> > > | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting you
> > > arrive
> > > | at
> > > | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
> start
> > to
> > > | get
> > > | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
> ratio
> > > | down
> > > | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch with
> the
> > > | > wheel.
> > > | >
> > > | > Mark
> > > | >
> > > | >
> > > | >
> > > |
> > > |

Phaso

Thanks Papy for fixing FFB

by Phaso » Sat, 05 May 2001 10:36:20

Have you actually tried it?  I thought the same as you until I did a few
runs at 16:1 just to try it.  Turns out I liked it much better!

    -Phasor


> As has been brought up before, Liniarity won't do it.  It just doesn't
feel
> right.

> It has to be Linear.

> The RATIO range needs to be increased.

> Anyone used to running 5 in N3 for steering is gonna have a fit with N4,
> even at 32:1.

> -Larry



> > That's easy, set steering linearity at 0% if that's your bag, personally
> I'm
> > of the least movement in the wheel the better cam :o)

> > Mark



> > > I wanna have to actually crank that puppy around by 90 deg in the
turns
> at
> > > the SS's !

> > > -Larry



> > > > & FWIW <g>
> > > > This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will see
> the
> > > > lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher! Wow!!
> > > > I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> > > > at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that
is
> > why
> > > > they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> > > > Cheers Thom_j.



> > > > | Mark,
> > > > |
> > > > | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does
> help.
> > > > |
> > > > | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel
like
> it
> > > > needs
> > > > | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever
was
> > at
> > > > | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> > > > |
> > > > | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> > > > |
> > > > | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the
> steering
> > > > | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> > > > |
> > > > | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code going.
> > > > | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in N4.
> > > > |
> > > > | Thanks for the idea!
> > > > |
> > > > | -Larry


> > > > | >


> > > > | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > > > | > >
> > > > | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town &
> > > Country
> > > > | > > Station Wagon.
> > > > | > >
> > > > | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light steering'
> > feels
> > > > | like
> > > > | > :)
> > > > | > >
> > > > | > > -Larry
> > > > | >
> > > > | > Hi Larry
> > > > | >
> > > > | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > > > | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn the
> > > steering
> > > > | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The
down
> > > sides
> > > > | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller spiking
> so
> > > > | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting
you
> > > > arrive
> > > > | at
> > > > | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks, I
> > start
> > > to
> > > > | get
> > > > | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the steering
> > ratio
> > > > | down
> > > > | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch
with
> > the
> > > > | > wheel.
> > > > | >
> > > > | > Mark
> > > > | >
> > > > | >
> > > > | >
> > > > |
> > > > |

Larr

Thanks Papy for fixing FFB

by Larr » Sun, 06 May 2001 02:54:39

Yeah...

I made pretzels for about 200 yards, and I wasn't even out of the pits yet!

-Larry


> Have you actually tried it?  I thought the same as you until I did a few
> runs at 16:1 just to try it.  Turns out I liked it much better!

>     -Phasor



> > As has been brought up before, Liniarity won't do it.  It just doesn't
> feel
> > right.

> > It has to be Linear.

> > The RATIO range needs to be increased.

> > Anyone used to running 5 in N3 for steering is gonna have a fit with N4,
> > even at 32:1.

> > -Larry



> > > That's easy, set steering linearity at 0% if that's your bag,
personally
> > I'm
> > > of the least movement in the wheel the better cam :o)

> > > Mark



> > > > I wanna have to actually crank that puppy around by 90 deg in the
> turns
> > at
> > > > the SS's !

> > > > -Larry



> > > > > & FWIW <g>
> > > > > This is really odd Larry...lol.. Read my other post and you will
see
> > the
> > > > > lower the better for me and you prefer higher.. Much! Higher!
Wow!!
> > > > > I barely move my wheel in N4 2"s {either way} from top dead center
> > > > > at any given time and I prefer less! It just goes to show ya' that
> is
> > > why
> > > > > they make Vanilla, Chocolate & Strawberry Ice Cream.. hahaha!!!
> > > > > Cheers Thom_j.



> > > > > | Mark,
> > > > > |
> > > > > | I have experimented with the Latency, and you're right.  It does
> > help.
> > > > > |
> > > > > | I can't see myself changing the ratio, though.  I already feel
> like
> > it
> > > > > needs
> > > > > | to be raised to 45:1.  It's way, way more sensitive than it ever
> was
> > > at
> > > > > | setting 5 in Nascar Racing <4.
> > > > > |
> > > > > | I was really hoping for that in the patch, but didn't get it :(
> > > > > |
> > > > > | Does anyone know of a way, maybe in DirectX, to kill off the
> > steering
> > > > > | sensitivity _before_ it gets to N4 ?
> > > > > |
> > > > > | I always felt that Papy's SIMS had the best controller code
going.
> > > > > | Unfortunately, I feel they have taken a huge step backwards in
N4.
> > > > > |
> > > > > | Thanks for the idea!
> > > > > |
> > > > > | -Larry

message

> > > > > | >


> > > > > | > > Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any changes.
> > > > > | > >
> > > > > | > > Talladega still feels like I'm driving a 1966 Chrysler Town
&
> > > > Country
> > > > > | > > Station Wagon.
> > > > > | > >
> > > > > | > > Anyone who has driven one of these knows what 'light
steering'
> > > feels
> > > > > | like
> > > > > | > :)
> > > > > | > >
> > > > > | > > -Larry
> > > > > | >
> > > > > | > Hi Larry
> > > > > | >
> > > > > | > I notice the same thing as you at Daytona and Tally.
> > > > > | > Try this, turn the latency in the FFB option up and/or turn
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > | > ratio in your set-up down, I found that these help a lot. The
> down
> > > > sides
> > > > > | > though are that turning up the latency causes controller
spiking
> > so
> > > > > | > experiment until you find a happy medium, also any new setting
> you
> > > > > arrive
> > > > > | at
> > > > > | > for Daytona and Tally will be undrivable on the other tracks,
I
> > > start
> > > > to
> > > > > | get
> > > > > | > spiking with my MSFF after about 125ms, and turning the
steering
> > > ratio
> > > > > | down
> > > > > | > makes the steering quicker so you have to use a lighter touch
> with
> > > the
> > > > > | > wheel.
> > > > > | >
> > > > > | > Mark
> > > > > | >
> > > > > | >
> > > > > | >
> > > > > |
> > > > > |


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