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MOMO vs. Original LWFF

MadDAW

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by MadDAW » Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:47:38

I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. I have the original Logitech
Wingman Formula Force and was wondering how it compares to the MOMO. The
problem I always have with wheels is that the steering shaft bushings wear
out and end up with a ton of slop. I read on the Logitech website it says
that the MOMO has bearings, but it doesn't say where. If its the steering
shaft I'll give the MOMO a try. How does the rest of the MOMO compare to the
original? The pedals look the same other than the actual pedal. Have they
increased the pedal travel since the original? I like the angle of the
pedals because I sit in a desk chair to race and the down ward movement
works better than the pivot of must other styles.

MadDAWG

Klin

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Klin » Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:06:20


> I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. I have the original Logitech
> Wingman Formula Force and was wondering how it compares to the MOMO. The
> problem I always have with wheels is that the steering shaft bushings wear
> out and end up with a ton of slop. I read on the Logitech website it says
> that the MOMO has bearings, but it doesn't say where. If its the steering
> shaft I'll give the MOMO a try. How does the rest of the MOMO compare to the
> original? The pedals look the same other than the actual pedal. Have they
> increased the pedal travel since the original? I like the angle of the
> pedals because I sit in a desk chair to race and the down ward movement
> works better than the pivot of must other styles.

I had the same problems with my LWFF (old all-red ones) and switched to the MOMO. I didn't
think I'd be able to install one of those ball-bearing kits on the LWFF - - I pictured
myself becoming permanently entangled with the steel cable inside. Anyway, yes the MOMO's
bearings support the steering shaft. Very nice, no slop. The gear drive inside may be
slightly less smooth than the cable in the old one, but I've only noticed it during large
steering corrections. (e.g. while catching a big slide in Rally Trophy) The pedals don't
seem to have any more travel, but higher resistance. I definitely felt I could control
threshold braking better, although no doubt CH or the new ACT Lab pedals are even better.
The big change is that the face of the pedal is hinged to the 'plunger' arm. If you have
the ball of your foot on the pedal, you probably won't notice the difference except that
they will adjust to the angle of your foot. In my case, I have a tendency to brake with my
toes on the front edge of the pedal. Yeah, it sounds weird, but I think I started doing
that to compensate for the short pedal travel. So the hinged pedals gave me fits for a
while.

                ...Klinn

Jan Verschuere

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:10:27

I also upgraded from original LWFF to MOMO after the former got a bit long
in the tooth (and on recommendation from fellow simmers). I've basically not
looked back. Whereas I'd wired my TM/NasPro pedals to the LWFF, I still use
the standard set which came with the MOMO. Compared to the LWFF, the MOMO is
more precise, more crisp but, indeed, the gear mechanism can be heard and
felt on big corrections.

Overall well worth upgrading, IMO.

Jan.
=---

Tore Hanso

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Tore Hanso » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:25:08

Hey Jan, how you doing?

I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes
anymore. I thought the LWFF was good, but I like the Momo a bit better,
especially the pedals because they seem to feel better, however I still use
foam under the brake pedal for a little bit of extra force

Tore


MadDAW

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by MadDAW » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:45:48

Well I went ahead and ordered a MOMO so from Newegg for $150 plus 15 for
shipping. Still $35 cheaper than Best Buy. Now I just have to wait for it to
get here.

MadDAWG

Don Burnett

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Don Burnett » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:27:49

That's a good deal,  you won't be sorry, it's a great wheel.

Don Burnette


Jan Verschuere

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:48:36

Not good mate... motherboard in my main PC has died. Typing this on a P90
notebook and I'm just about ready to start climbing the walls. ;-)

On the other hand, the FV league is doing well and I'm very keen to get back
to driving once the new 'puter arrives.

Jan.
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rik zeppeli

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by rik zeppeli » Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:38:35

I will be awaiting your report..... my LWFF is almost ready for the pile.


Damien Smit

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Damien Smit » Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:26:48

 > I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes

Oh boy, the gear changers in the LWFF are *very* easy to fix...

I disagree about the wheel.  Sure the pedals are a bit better, but I'll take
a cable-driven, moulded, *** wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable,
hard-leather wheel any day.

--
Damien Smith

ICQ: 77028579
F12001 rank: +21.435

MadDAW

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by MadDAW » Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:07:57

Even a wore out one with about 3/8 inch of slop in the steering shaft?  :)
I agree the gear driven FF was one of the cons in my wheel shopping, but the
bearings on the steering shaft instead of bushings was a bigger plus.

MadDAWG

rik zeppeli

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by rik zeppeli » Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:18:55


How to?

Tore Hanso

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Tore Hanso » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:55:11

Please expand on "how easy" they are to fix. The mechanical part works fine.
It's the electronic btton that doesn't function in my case. I'd be happy to
fix it if you can give me some instructions.

Tore


> > I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes
> > anymore.

> Oh boy, the gear changers in the LWFF are *very* easy to fix...

> I disagree about the wheel.  Sure the pedals are a bit better, but I'll
take
> a cable-driven, moulded, *** wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable,
> hard-leather wheel any day.

> --
> Damien Smith

> ICQ: 77028579
> F12001 rank: +21.435

Bra

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Bra » Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:39:00

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:48 +1000, "Damien Smith"


>, but I'll take
>a cable-driven, moulded, *** wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable,
>hard-leather wheel any day.

>--
>Damien Smith

>ICQ: 77028579
>F12001 rank: +21.435

Lol.......stretching it to near childishness here arent you??

Its ok to like your wheel without downgrading other peoples equipment.

Brad

Bill Ryde

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by Bill Ryde » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:31:38


> Even a wore out one with about 3/8 inch of slop in the steering shaft?
> :) I agree the gear driven FF was one of the cons in my wheel shopping,
> but the bearings on the steering shaft instead of bushings was a bigger
> plus.

Yes I agree completely with this. I had my old logitech red wheel for
years and there was far too much slop in it by the end. Also the original
pedals were terrible.

The MOMO feels VERY comfortable for me (YMMV) and I don't mind the minor
notchiness of the wheel. I have tried friends wheels (the ferrari the
horrible ACT ones and new cheapo logitech) and it is still smoother than
any of those.

Interestingly enough in patch one of F1=2001 when you task switched and
the forcefeedback disappeared I found the wheel had ZERO notchiness (but
of course no forcefeed back). Dunno why but in that particular mode the
wheel was as smooth as silk. This is not reproducable with the patch 2
for f12k1 since this bug doesn't occur any more.

(And I like others have been forced to use the no-cd patch for update 2 -
the original update 2 patch CTD'ed even with my original CD in the
drive).

Also the new pedals are much much better for my needs - the pivoting
makes a huge difference.

I also think the momo does more effects too and more effectively (I
presume it is because there is no cable flex which existed on my old
trusty now retired logitech red FF wheel).

MadDAW

MOMO vs. Original LWFF

by MadDAW » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:08:11

Mine should be here tooday. :)

MadDAWG


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