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by **Stephen Smit** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:16:35

Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an eye
in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed in
favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP had been
held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be in the
3-minute range.

The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

--Steve Smith

by **Jens H. Kruus** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:23:40

Erm, I get a 403 Forbidden "You don't have permission to access /clermont/ on
this server." Very nicely done, though. ;-)

/Jens

by **Stephen Smit** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:38:25

Sorry. GPLEA's inability to log me in has me all crossed up. Try:

http://euro.racesim.net/clermont/page_01.htm

> Erm, I get a 403 Forbidden "You don't have permission to access /clermont/
on
> this server." Very nicely done, though. ;-)

> /Jens

> > Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

> > http://euro.racesim.net/clermont

> > This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
> > being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an
eye
> > in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed in
> > favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP had
been
> > held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be in
the
> > 3-minute range.

> > The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

> > --Steve Smith

by **Jens H. Kruus** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:57:04

Oooh! Aaaaah! Nice. :-)

by **Txl** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:10:42

The track was razed in 88 following a big crash in Formula RENAULT, just at
the TIGHT hairpin after the long downhill, a guy lost his brakes and ended
up FAR fgrom the course, everybody thought he was dead but he ended up
unhurt, the good news about this is that my truckrace driver still has the
ABSOLUTE record on this track with his 88 Formula RENAULT...

I'll ask him for details and time, it'll be a challange for Huttu and the
rest of the outer space drivers...

by **John Zumste** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:17:31

I get a "no access to this server" message with this URL. Rats!

John

> Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

> http://euro.racesim.net/clermont

> This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
> being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an eye
> in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed in
> favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP had been
> held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be in the
> 3-minute range.

> The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

> --Steve Smith

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:24:08

Ahah! I thought I saw a hairpin with a tight downhill run....hehehe
This will not please Eldred!
dave henrie

> The track was razed in 88 following a big crash in Formula RENAULT, just
at
> the TIGHT hairpin after the long downhill, a guy lost his brakes and ended
> up FAR fgrom the course, everybody thought he was dead but he ended up
> unhurt, the good news about this is that my truckrace driver still has the
> ABSOLUTE record on this track with his 88 Formula RENAULT...

> I'll ask him for details and time, it'll be a challange for Huttu and the
> rest of the outer space drivers...

> > Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

> > http://euro.racesim.net/clermont

> > This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
> > being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an
> eye
> > in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed in
> > favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP had
> been
> > held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be in
> the
> > 3-minute range.

> > The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

> > --Steve Smith

by **Stephen Smit** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:26:46

Txl,

Every new track in the 60s was billed as a "miniature Nurburgring."
Clermont actually was. I can't remember how many turns it had (I'll look it
up, if I can), but it really does feel like a mini-Nordschleife. It will
probably be the Dieppe Raid of online venues, but for Hot Lappers, it will
definitely separate Le Mans from Le Boys.

--Steve

> The track was razed in 88 following a big crash in Formula RENAULT, just
at
> the TIGHT hairpin after the long downhill, a guy lost his brakes and ended
> up FAR fgrom the course, everybody thought he was dead but he ended up
> unhurt, the good news about this is that my truckrace driver still has the
> ABSOLUTE record on this track with his 88 Formula RENAULT...

> I'll ask him for details and time, it'll be a challange for Huttu and the
> rest of the outer space drivers...

> > Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

> > http://euro.racesim.net/clermont

> > This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
> > being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an
> eye
> > in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed in
> > favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP had
> been
> > held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be in
> the
> > 3-minute range.

> > The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

> > --Steve Smith

by **Stephen Smit** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:55:51

Course map here:

http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=6504&c=0

One reference on the AtlasF1 site counts 51 corners (a turns-per-mile count
only slightly less than the Ring's). Bon effing chance, Aliens!

--Steve

> Txl,

> Every new track in the 60s was billed as a "miniature Nurburgring."
> Clermont actually was. I can't remember how many turns it had (I'll look
it
> up, if I can), but it really does feel like a mini-Nordschleife. It will
> probably be the Dieppe Raid of online venues, but for Hot Lappers, it will
> definitely separate Le Mans from Le Boys.

> --Steve

> > The track was razed in 88 following a big crash in Formula RENAULT, just
> at
> > the TIGHT hairpin after the long downhill, a guy lost his brakes and
ended
> > up FAR fgrom the course, everybody thought he was dead but he ended up
> > unhurt, the good news about this is that my truckrace driver still has
the
> > ABSOLUTE record on this track with his 88 Formula RENAULT...

> > I'll ask him for details and time, it'll be a challange for Huttu and
the
> > rest of the outer space drivers...

> > > Preview of Clermont-Ferrand for GPL here:

> > > http://euro.racesim.net/clermont

> > > This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for
rocks
> > > being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko
an
> > eye
> > > in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL. It was razed
in
> > > favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88. The French GP
had
> > been
> > > held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72. Lap times for GPL cars should be
in
> > the
> > > 3-minute range.

> > > The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

> > > --Steve Smith

by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:00:15

Now if only he'd made that track for N4! ;-)

Achim

P.S.: LeMans from LeBoys - good one :-)

by **Eldre** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:19:27

> Ahah! I thought I saw a hairpin with a tight downhill run....hehehe
>This will not please Eldred!
>dave henrie

Yeah, I thought that's what I saw, too... I can tell I won't be putting too
many laps on THAT track... :(

Eldred
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by MP » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:49:26

Looks very cool - its amazing just how much longer and more challenging
many of the tracks were in the sixties.

I'd imagine it will be as hard as any of the GPL classics such as the
Ring, Solitude, or Bremgarten.

- Michael

by **Stephen Smit** » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:13:23

Michael,

Bremgarten was a little *too* challenging. Varzi was killed there in '48,
after which the circuit was abandoned by the F1 circus (and the Swiss banned
racing in their little country altogether after the Le Mans disaster in
'55). But, yes, there were some famously dangerous tracks right up until
thrill-kills like Jackie Stewart started whining abt. safety in the mid
'60s. Many of these venues utilized sections of ordinary public roads: Pau,
Macao, Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines, the original Hockenheim (which went
"downtown" until an autobahn cut it off), Avus, Casablanca, Mellaha (faster

Oporto, Reims, the Mille Miglia, the Targa, the Tourist Trophy, Spa,
Argentina's Gran Premio, the Redex Round Australia Trial, the Carrera
Mexicana, etc. The spirit of these races lives on in the WRC, if you ask
me. And, of course, in GPL.

--Steve

by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:51:36

Carrera Panamerica was the title I think.

Dave

by **David Ewin** » Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:09:46

> Michael,

> '60s. Many of these venues utilized sections of ordinary public roads: Pau,
> Macao, Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines,

Hi Steve,

I wasn't aware that there was a street course in the Torrey Pines area
(I assume this is the Torrey Pines between La Jolla and Del Mar, near San
Diego). Where did the course go? What types of cars raced there? What year
was this? I went to college near there (UC San Diego) in the 70s

Thanks,

Dave Ewing

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