rec.autos.simulators

> > >Mugello (40+ miles per lap!),

> > Whoa...now THAT would be COOL...

> Cool as in "I don't know my way around the Ring or Solitude or ..."??

> Bring on the SHORT tracks. Ones I have a prayer of learning my way around!

> Macao would be great: 3.8 miles, 16 or so turns, a 100-mph average.  A lot
> of 3do's, tho.

> BTW, I think I was wrong abt. Mellaha.  Now I'm thinking it was a
> purpose-built track and not on public roads.

> --Steve

> > Speaking of Macao, wouldn't that make a challenging track for GPL? I had a
> > chance to visit there while in Hong Kong. (Of course I was there a week
> _after_
> > the annual F3 race!!!) They have a nice museum, a model of the track with
> video
> > replays and two simulators. Very cool stuff. Senna's and Schummy's cars
> and
> > helmets. Some guy named Carvalho won the first ever Macao GP. (No
> relation, that
> > I know of; but my family tends to sow broadly.)

> > Jim

> > > Michael,

> > > Bremgarten was a little *too* challenging.  Varzi was killed there in
> '48,
> > > after which the circuit was abandoned by the F1 circus (and the Swiss
> banned
> > > racing in their little country altogether after the Le Mans disaster in
> > > '55).  But, yes, there were some famously dangerous tracks right up
> until
> > > thrill-kills like Jackie Stewart started whining abt. safety in the mid
> > > '60s.  Many of these venues utilized sections of ordinary public roads:
> Pau,
> > > Macao, Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines, the original Hockenheim (which went
> > > "downtown" until an autobahn cut it off), Avus, Casablanca, Mellaha
> (faster

> > > Oporto, Reims, the Mille Miglia, the Targa, the Tourist Trophy, Spa,
> > > Argentina's Gran Premio,  the Redex Round Australia Trial, the Carrera
> > > Mexicana, etc.  The spirit of these races lives on in the WRC, if you
> ask
> > > me.  And, of course, in GPL.

> > > --Steve

> > > > > Every new track in the 60s was billed as a "miniature Nurburgring."
> > > > > Clermont actually was.  I can't remember how many turns it had (I'll
> > > look it
> > > > > up, if I can), but it really does feel like a mini-Nordschleife.  It
> > > will
> > > > > probably be the Dieppe Raid of online venues, but for Hot Lappers,
> it
> > > will
> > > > > definitely separate Le Mans from Le Boys.

> > > > > --Steve

> > > > Looks very cool - its amazing just how much longer and more
> challenging
> > > > many of the tracks were in the sixties.

> > > > I'd imagine it will be as hard as any of the GPL classics such as the
> > > > Ring, Solitude, or Bremgarten.

> > > > - Michael

>This 5-mile twisty ride around an extinct volcano was infamous for rocks
>being thrown like shrapnel at following drivers (costing Helmut Marko an eye
>in '72), something that shouldn't be a problem in GPL.  It was razed in
>favor of a much shorter course (aka Charade) in '88.  The French GP had been
>held there in '65, '69, '70 & '72.  Lap times for GPL cars should be in the
>3-minute range.
>The screenies make the track look beautifully detailed.

>I'd imagine it will be as hard as any of the GPL classics such as the
>Ring, Solitude, or Bremgarten.

>> >Mugello (40+ miles per lap!),

>> Whoa...now THAT would be COOL...

>Cool as in "I don't know my way around the Ring or Solitude or ..."??

>Bring on the SHORT tracks. Ones I have a prayer of learning my way around!

>As Crystal Palace proves, you can't judge a track by its plan view.  Looking
>at the map, I never would have suspected that a track as dinky as CP would
>have such a lovely flow.  It's really magical.  OTOH, I can't stand
>Heartland, Willow Springs or Roebling, which are much loved (in real-life)
>by club racers.  I wish somebody would deliver V.I.R, Laguna67, and/or
>Surfer's.  They all look great...on paper.