rec.autos.simulators

>We all here strive for realistic physics. As such we scrutinize each game
>that comes along and touts the "Sim" word in its promotion. We disect it,
>and base an opinion on it.

>But there is one small thing you have to remember...

>We are LOOKING for the differences. It is top priority for us, and as such
>pay very close attention to every nuance of its methods/implementations.

>My cousin, and the ten others I can name off the top of my head aren't
>looking for that. They wanna jump in and drive.

> I have a life and it's annoying little x like you.  Ahhh, that feels
> good.  I still love being hypocritical.

> Yuck, Barton.  What need for that?

>That imaginary world you live in seems FABULOUS!

>Although I must admit I would only like to visit on vacation... as I am sure
>I would ask questions that may be unanswerable, hence my banishment. So
>permanent residency is out of the question. How do people harvest food in
>your world for others, without ambitions of profitablity? Whoops... there
>are my pesky logical questions again... sorry about that, I know how you
>cherish that Utopia you live in.

>Although I would expect nothing less from you Frank. I have watched your
>amazingly misinformed opinions litter this UseNet for for close to 2 years.
>I am still wondering what it is you are trying to accomplish, as you quote
>fictional facts (do you make this shit up as you go? My numbers say you do.)
>You run around like a 6 year old procaliming the sky is falling because
>those damn bastards who make these games have not yet realized that the
>world revolves around you and your desires. Not to mention the legions of
>hundreds of thousands behind you ... ROFL.

>You proclaim to be an authority, but yet your opinions are comicaly
>dilusional. Have you worked in the industry? Do you even KNOW anyone that
>does? Where exactly do you base your facts... therefor an even remotely
>informed opinion of fact?

>You proclaim capitalistic politics as a bad thing, yet you still reside in
>Canada. Whoops... sorry... Elfen Land, I forgot.

>My friend... you are the POSTER CHILD for "Contradiction of Terms"

>You just slagged me for posting my opinions, whilst in the same sentence
>saying that this is a usegroup and everyone should grow some skin (which is
>why YOU post). I say... lay off that whacky whatever you are smoking and
>actually take the time to listen to yourself. Although... I beg you not to
>stop... I am starting to enjoy my new found voice here at your expense...
>its too damn easy.

>Although... I should probably take some words of wisdom from a signature I
>read here a while back (from EldredP if I'm not mistaken).. "Never argue
>with an idiot... he'll drag you down to his level, and beat you with
>experience." I am TOTALLY feeling those words of wisdom here.... in spades.

>Cheers,

>Schumi

>> > Yeps... but how many frequent visitors do we have to RAS? I would be
>> > surprised if it was more than 20,000.

>> Lies, lies, and other darn statistics...  and whatever the number is, so
>> what?  It's people like you who consider r.a.s. like some sort of cloud
>that
>> should be up high and guide the community.

>> > However RAS is a mine field for new users. Mention you got joy from a
>game
>> > that the general consensus has shunned as a true sim, and the flames
>start
>> > to pour in.

>> Such blattant extrapolations would come from people like DGF, not from
>you.
>> I have the right to my opinion, and I'll flame somebody if he tells me
>that
>> C:PR or NFSPU is a better racing sim then N4 or GPL.  I have the right, I
>> choose because I ***y want!

>> > No wonder so many people come here, then leave promptly never to
>> > be heard from again.

>> It's a newsgroup dammit, not a 24/7 social club.  What do you expect?

>> > I would not classify RAS as a very friendly place to
>> > new visitors by any stretch of the imagination.

>> LMAO! I would not classify the *whole* Usenet as a friendly place to new
>> visitors.  Let them newbies learn the hard way.    :-)

>> Anyway what's the point of your post? It goes on and on and on without any
>> mass structure, you jump from point A to point Z and babble around,
>> seriously.  One sentence you talk about the newsgroup, the other you are
>> saying something about online racing behavior.  :-/

>> > but the vast majority of users do not.

>> Assumations.  You do not know.

>> > Then cry because it didn't go their way.

>> No YOU are the one whining that the newsgroup doesn't please you.  Like I
>> often say, if the Usenet is out of your intellect, then get the heck out
>of
>> here.  But don't whine like a baby with your supposidely superior morals
>and
>> ethics.

>> --
>> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
>> -- May the Downforce be with you...
>> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
>> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> I wish I had more to add, but you've said so much, so perfectly. :-)

> David G Fisher

> > Yeps... but how many frequent visitors do we have to RAS? I would be
> > surprised if it was more than 20,000. About 1/20th of what is takes for
a
> > publisher to consider the game a mild sales success. Also, those 2-3 who
> > have discovered GPL and love it, then post their opinions here, are
really
> > just conversions. Meaning, maybe they were pickup guys, who finally
found
> a
> > calling. Something they were not necessarily looking for but found.
So...
> > they come to share their new found joy with others of the same interest.
I
> > personally think that is fantastic, and would like to see many more of
the
> > same... but the total numbers are no where close to making the "Sim
> Market"
> > any substantial size. Having said that, we lobby for better sims, invite
> > others into our interest group whenever possible and do our best to
> promote
> > it in any way we can.

> > However RAS is a mine field for new users. Mention you got joy from a
game
> > that the general consensus has shunned as a true sim, and the flames
start
> > to pour in. No wonder so many people come here, then leave promptly
never
> to
> > be heard from again. I would not classify RAS as a very friendly place
to
> > new visitors by any stretch of the imagination. Unless of course that
new
> > user happens to share the same opinion as the general consensus.

> > I have also seen the Sim Market's wrath online, and its not what I would
> > call "inviting". All those yelling matches after a race because a guy
> rammed
> > you into a wall. Yeah, it probably pissed you off, and it does me too.
But
> > to roll off 4 letter words at those guys is only doing:

> > 1) Making sure he ignores you
> > 2) Alienating him from participating in a manner that is acceptable to
the
> > general consensus around here (driving etiquette).
> > 3) Probably encouraging him to wreap more havoc on your fun (you've just
> > discovered a new way to get joy for him...***you off).
> > 4) Discourage him from doing the very thing we need... from joining the
> > community to build up our numbers.

> > And the whole time that you are in your tantrum, the other guy is
laughing
> > his ass off at you because he is thinking "Damn dude... you gotta relax
> it's
> > just a game." Not your point of view (you take it seriously, and thats
> > great), but the vast majority of users do not.

> > I sit back and watch as RAS consistently shoot itself in the foot. Then
> cry
> > because it didn't go their way. We want this, and we want that, and we
> > DEMAND this, etc. Whilst in the same breath pushing people away, thus
> > pushing the numbers away that in the end will wreap you the rewards you
> > want. I find myself shaking my hed quite often on this board for that
very
> > reason.

> > Not tellin yas how to react or conduct yourself. Just wanted to throw a
> > little grass from the other side of the fence over, for you to take a
peek
> > at. Take a step back, drop the passion for a quick sec., and look at it
> from
> > other people's POV. Other people meaning the "pick-up racers" who are
> prime
> > conversion material for the cause (and probably would like to
participate
> in
> > the manner we do), but are constantly being harassed outta town for
honest
> > mistakes.

> > Cheers,

> > Schumi

> > > > Even here in the Simracing heartland of RAS we hear the story again
> and
> > > > again "I tried GPL but it was too hard"... and thats from people who
> are
> > > > actually into racing cars/motorcyckles/whatever on their computer.

> > > And for 1 of those stories, we had 2-3 of "Wow I finally tried GPL and
> it
> > > really changed my vision of racing sims".

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...