rec.autos.simulators

Gary,

The masses are polarized on this one, but a lot of people, me included,
think there is enough wrong with it to pass it over.  I got it for free
(gold beta preview) and I'm glad I didn't spend the money on it.  At
first it seemed a big step over ICR2, but the little things started
adding up (no yellows, high system requirements, AI problems, etc. etc.
etc.) that I simply started losing interest.  The kicker was F1RS.  I
uninstalled CPR within days and haven't missed it since.

Jeff Antley

CPR has just come out here in the UK, and I'd like some opinions as to
how good it is when compared to Indycar or GP2.

I'd hate to buy it if it's a pile of poo. It's thanks to you guys that
I didn't buy Eidos' Power F1 !!

Thanks in advance.

Gary.

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% CPR has just come out here in the UK, and I'd like some opinions as to
% how good it is when compared to Indycar or GP2.

% I'd hate to buy it if it's a pile of poo. It's thanks to you guys that
% I didn't buy Eidos' Power F1 !!

For what I think is one of the most honest reviews of this program check
out Alison's website.  This review is from a *** auto racing
simulation point of view.  It not a software review or a game review,
but is a review of a "racing simulation" software package.  

URL is: http://www.racesimcentral.net/~alison/sims/reviews.htm

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Ditto...Don

It's a pile of poo.

Bart

Download the demo from http://cart.gamestats.com and judge for yourself.

John

+AD4-CPR has just come out here in the UK, and I'd like some opinions as to
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+AD4-Gary.
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:48:31 -0000, "Gary Lightfoot"

Michael Tracy
"Involuntary CART Precision Racing beta tester"

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I was happy with CPR when I first ran the game doing hotlaps on my own
round Surfer's Paradise. The physics model is OK, the graphics are
good (but not stunning) and it's a setup ***ist's dream. Then I
tried a race with computer cars on the track. The frame rate slowed to
a crawl and the computer cars seemed unable to complete the pace lap
without crashing into each other. Once the race was running, or more
accurately jerking, I discovered that the AI of the computer cars is
truly appaling. Not just "bad", but absolutely, completely and utterly
useless. In my opinion the game is completely unplayable and I've
wasted 40 quid on it. My advice: buy it from somewhere like
Electronics Boutique (where they have a 10 day money-back guarantee)
so you can take it back when you discover just how bad it is. I wish
I'd taken my own advice, but it was an impulse buy from a small
computer shop with a "no refunds" policy, so I'm stuck with it !

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I agree with Jeff.  If you have a powerful system and a powerful video card,
and patience to fiddle with steering set-ups, etc., then CART:PR is capable
of "simulating" the driving experience better than any other sim. on the
market--including F1RS.  The proviso, though, is that you are driving alone
on the tracks!  The AI is pathetic in too many ways to describe and there
are a number of other gross oversights (like no yellow flags) that "add up"
as Jeff says to ruin the experience.

Until two days ago I believed that these problems would be patched
(eventually) by Microsoft.  However, Dean Lester, manager of simulations for
Microsoft, has now confirmed (in a message on the Apex site) what most of
the r.a.s. regulars here have been speculating since day 1--that there would
not be follow-through on the supposed commitment from Microsoft to stick
with this title and patch it until it meets the advertised claims on the
box.  For that reason alone I must advise you and everyone else not to buy
the title.

It's one redeeming feature (in its current incomplete state) is the online
racing at the Zone.  Some of the tracks work well and you can avoid the AI
altogether.  Unfortunately, there are too usually too few people there to
have any fun...I guess not very many people are willing to buy a racing sim.
just to race online when it has received so much bad press.  Microsoft has
just made their move that justifies all that bad press...

Marc.

Marc Collins wrote

Ewww, I have to disagree with this.  I consider my PII 266, STB Velocity128
AGP as a powerful system, and I never found what you call the "Driving
experience".  Plain sh*t.  F1RS is better than C:PR.  Nascar2 is better than
C:PR.   SODA is better than C:PR.  Heck TOCA IMHO is better than C:PR !!!

Well, for me the driving experience is racing with other people at the same
time on the track.  I can't figure to race alone anymore after racing on the
NROS.  This is for any racing simulator.  But the lack of yellow flags, poor
AI and too many grip when overturning makes this sim a flop. No wonder why
TRI or Micro$oft doesn't support it anymore <g>

90% of the r.a.s. population agree on this ;-)   .  Micro$oft tried to get
into the serious racing market. They failed.

If you have a little bit of money, get on the NROS.  It's about 1-2 years
ahead of it's time. A must have if you are a serious racer.  And if you are
a "pro-Papyrus".   You will find even some real-life drivers (like Dale
Earnheard Jr.)

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/
Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

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Thank you, Michael!  <grin>

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Byron Forbes wrote :

There is about 5-6 people that are from Europe (Jure, Peika, Richard,
Robert, etc...) but all the others are from USA and Canada (I don't anybody
from Mexico or elsewhere.

All this is because of the darn speed of light (why could it be faster
)   ).   I'm really sorry. Some things are out of TEN's control.  AFAIK TEN
as put something for Australia (some sort of dedicated server). Not sure
about that. But nothing for the NROS.

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/
Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

--"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--