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by **Nigel Nichol** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I have been driving GPL since it's realease and had not
drivong N2 in that time.
I thought I would reload N2 so Icould compeat in a Pocono race
for an Offline League I am a director for.
At the end of the day if N2000 physics are not a huge
improvemnet of N2 I will not be buying it. As the car started
pushing I eased of the gas as I do in GPL to move the weight
forward and losen the car up a bit, doe! it doesn't work like
that in N2.
Better grahpics, better AI, better anything else won't cut it
if the physics are not up to GPL's. Sorry Papy, but I didn't
buy N99 because it's revamped N2 and if that is all N2000 is
then I'll wait for Nascar blah blah with GPL phyics. And if
Nascar blah blah never happens then you have sold me the last
Nascar product when I bought N2 and the BGN pack.

Nigel
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New Zealand

by **Scott B. Huste** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Nigel,

Although I understand your point, just remember that these are two
totally different types of cars. The weight factor alone is enough to
differentiate the throttle responses.

I agree with you though on the physics update needed. I think (hope)
that Papyrus will do enough upgrades to the physics engine to make it
more realistic than N2/N99. However, using the GPL Physics engine is
definitely the next step in progression for them. I never bought N99
because it had no multiplayer functionality.

If you are waiting for a NASCAR to react to throttle response like the
1967 F1 cars, then I assure you, you will never be buying another
NASCAR Simulation <VBG> ;)

Scott
PA-Scott
High Gear Editor - "The View" - http://www.simracingnews.com
G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com

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by **Jay Wolf** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>I have been driving GPL since it's realease and had not
>drivong N2 in that time.
>I thought I would reload N2 so Icould compeat in a Pocono race
>for an Offline League I am a director for.
>At the end of the day if N2000 physics are not a huge
>improvemnet of N2 I will not be buying it. As the car started
>pushing I eased of the gas as I do in GPL to move the weight
>forward and losen the car up a bit, doe! it doesn't work like
>that in N2.

pretty funny, huh? what used to seem god-like is just a little toy now. i'm
not worried about another NASCAR (even though i am a NASCAR fan mainly)
because of GPL. let's say nothing has happened in the next five years. GPL
will still be running great on everyones pentium 5-966 with 512K of RAM. by
then, every track that someone could dream of having available will be just
that. in five years, somebody will have found a way to put different body
styles on the GPL cars and make them run either more sluggishly for NASCAR
or more sticky for modern F1.

the future is great no matter what.

by **Daxe Rexfor** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

<snip>

In the future, I plan to have alot more than 512K of RAM. In fact, I have about
512 times as much as that already

;)

~daxe

by **Philste** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> Nigel,

> Although I understand your point, just remember that these are two
> totally different types of cars. The weight factor alone is enough to
> differentiate the throttle responses.

> I agree with you though on the physics update needed. I think (hope)
> that Papyrus will do enough upgrades to the physics engine to make it
> more realistic than N2/N99. However, using the GPL Physics engine is
> definitely the next step in progression for them. I never bought N99
> because it had no multiplayer functionality.

> If you are waiting for a NASCAR to react to throttle response like the
> 1967 F1 cars, then I assure you, you will never be buying another
> NASCAR Simulation <VBG> ;)

> Scott
> PA-Scott
> High Gear Editor - "The View" - http://www.simracingnews.com
> G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com

I heard that the car could be "flipped" in Nascar 3/2000 (whatever the
name). Doesn't that constitute an improvement in the physics department?
Also, looking at the first demo movie, the car handling seemed
different. Just look at that car spining out towards the wall. In
N2/N99, the "turn axis" of the car is smack in the middle of the car,
while it doesn't seem to be the case in the upcoming game.

Philster

by **Jacvil** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Yes, but who in the world would EVER need more than 640K of memory on a PC?
There will never be a need to surpass that threshold! <g>

by **Jay Wolf** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>>In the future, I plan to have alot more than 512K of RAM. In fact, I have
>>about
>>512 times as much as that already

>Yes, but who in the world would EVER need more than 640K of memory on a PC?
>There will never be a need to surpass that threshold! <g>

i feel like i just took a left at curva grande...

by **BH New** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I never bought N99

Hmm I race it multiplayer all the time on a LAN. Same ole multiplayer bugs
that n2 had but better voodoo support and the trucks make it worth it.

BH

by **<Taurus..** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

The way my N2 runs in multiplayer, you could say it has no functionality.
The thing skips like crazy, and the cars jump around all over the track,
constantly wrecking me. I mean, the AI car will be in front, next
disappears all together, shows up again high up on the track, then in a
blink its down right next to me pushing me out of the way. No matter how
many graphics I turn off, and even if my friend and I limit the field to 6
cars, it still happens.
I suppose it has something to do with the latency (.13 secs, I think) at a
28.8 connection. I don't even bother with it anymore, and if
N3/2000/whatever doesn't show substantial improvement, I doubt I'll be
buying it.

by **Jeff Krumhol** » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I think there is some confusion here. L2 cache on processors today
(PII/PIII) have 512k running at 1/2 of processor speed. I'm betting Jay
meant 512 megs of ram, not 512k!

We all knew what he meant.

by **McKafr** » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

That movie, was the 'old' Nascar3, the Nascar game that will use the GPL
engine. Now, they are going to release another N2 style game, called
Nascar3, but is not the same Nascar3 that was announced months ago ...

if you dont understand this (I dont :D ) ask papyrus .... :)

McKafre De La Rosa

by **John Walla** » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>> Although I understand your point, just remember that these are two
>> totally different types of cars. The weight factor alone is enough to
>> differentiate the throttle responses.

They are different types of car, but not "totally different" - a car
is a car is a car. That throttle movement will cause the corresponding
weight transfer in any car, the only difference is the magnitude.

Cheers!
John

by **Michael E. Carve** » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

% >> Although I understand your point, just remember that these are two
% >> totally different types of cars. The weight factor alone is enough to
% >> differentiate the throttle responses.

% They are different types of car, but not "totally different" - a car
% is a car is a car. That throttle movement will cause the corresponding
% weight transfer in any car, the only difference is the magnitude.

Also, the engines (errr excuse me, motors) in NASCAR are powerful enough
that easing off the throttle should cause weight transfer (how much will
depend on the setup of springs, cross-weight, etc.).

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by **Scott B. Huste** » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Of course there will be weight transfer, but the results are nothing close to
what you experience in GPL with no aerodynamics, tire differences, etc.

Ive raced a few different types of race cars. From Spec Racers to Sports2000 to
GT-1 and even a little NASCAR Modified. A car is not a car is not a car when it
comes to racing <VBG>

My whole point is you cant base the analysis of the physics in NASCAR Racing by
comparing it to the same handling reaction characteristics of GPL. Magnitude is
not the only difference.

Scott
PA-Scott
High Gear Editor - "The View" - http://www.simracingnews.com
G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com
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ICQ# 4395450

by **Don Hanco** » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

For those that aren't aware: that is pretty close to an EXACT
quote from Bill Gates from around 1984 (?). I remember telling my dad
to get the 30MB hdd instead of the 20MB one and he'll never need
another one. I also remember buying a flow-charting program that HAD
WINDOWS 3.0 INCLUDED and BOTH programs fit on a 720K floppy!!!!!

Anybody else remember when Windows also had a
"redistributable" (Microsoft's word) version?

Gunner

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