rec.autos.simulators

by **Lisa McKinle** » Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?
>>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I work anywhere from 8 to 15 hours on these cars depending on the

research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

-DG-<<<

This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
dollars....????

by **Don Mullin** » Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> > Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?

> >>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I work
> research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
> $70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
> think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
> The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

> -DG-<<<

> This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
> Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
> dollars....????

With all the free cars you can find I don't anyone would pay that much
for a N2 car. Thats superspeedway robbery :)
--
"To all you villans out there I say, knock off all that evil!" -The Tick

The Rusty Wallace Miller Lite stock car, awsome when opened up!
GO#2!

Mullins Motorsports Inc.
http://www.***tron.com/~ddmj

by **Jim Sokolo** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>> Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?

>>>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I work anywhere from 8 to 15 hours on these cars depending on the
>research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
>$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
>think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
>The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

>-DG-<<<

> This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
>Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
>dollars....????

I have no connection to this guy either way, but it's a free market;
no one has the right to tell this guy that he IS NOT PERMITTED to
charge whatever he wants for his services. (Of course, you being a
consumer in a free market are free to not buy the product at the price
offered...) Then again, I'd have to help the Devil himself shovel his
car out of his parking space before I'd pay for my own car... :-)

---Jim Sokoloff

by **Charlie Mo** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>> Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?

>>>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I work anywhere from 8 to 15 hours on these cars depending on the
>research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
>$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
>think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
>The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

>-DG-<<<

> This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
>Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
>dollars....????

I can appreciate both your views, but paying up to $ 80.00 for a car
to put into a game that only costs $ 40.00 (tops) for is not sound
judgement in my opinion. I have no doubt that your efforts are
painstaking and quality.
--
Take Care, Charlie

by **Eric T. Busc** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

<tongue in cheek>
If you can afford $80 a car, my expert time surely is worth at least this
much. So in case anyone in interested, I've decided to start charging
$100/hour for hardware recommendations and general tech support. If you
send me an e-mail asking for help, expect a bill to soon follow. Hey,
perhaps I can even convince Dave to start charging for our IWCCCARS so we
can all be rich. =)
</tongue in cheek>*

* Note: for the humor impared I've kindly included these slightly
non-standard HTML tags.

--

by **BSPN** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> <tongue in cheek>
> If you can afford $80 a car, my expert time surely is worth at least this
> much. So in case anyone in interested, I've decided to start charging
> $100/hour for hardware recommendations and general tech support. If you
> send me an e-mail asking for help, expect a bill to soon follow. Hey,
> perhaps I can even convince Dave to start charging for our IWCCCARS so we
> can all be rich. =)
> </tongue in cheek>*

> * Note: for the humor impared I've kindly included these slightly
> non-standard HTML tags.

> --

> > This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
> >Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
> >dollars....????

For my money <g>, Eric, if anyone could charge, it would be you...you
are always there when I need a hand and as Nick said you don't "know me
from Adam's off ox" (It a Wonderful Life).......Thanks again..

Lou B.
Rustbucket Racing

by **Alex Santantoni** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> >> Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?

> >>>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I wor
> >research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
> >$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
> >think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
> >The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

> >-DG-<<<

> > This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
> >Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
> >dollars....????

> I can appreciate both your views, but paying up to $ 80.00 for a car
> to put into a game that only costs $ 40.00 (tops) for is not sound
> judgement in my opinion. I have no doubt that your efforts are
> painstaking and quality.
> --
> Take Care, Charlie

*** Moan

Well just to let you know I do this for free, not only do I do it for
free, I pay to do it. I have my own domain and stuff amd do it cause I
enjoy it. You say the palette is harder to work with? well, I mad the
palette fix for the game, it is not hard, it too me two weeks to figure
it out, but I'm not asking for payment. Also I have spent several
months on tracks and that is for free too. So unless you aare putting
real body panels on a computer car, do not charge, you will not sell
anything

by **David Gar** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?
>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work >>with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen >>above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a >>couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I >>could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I w
>>research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
>>$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
>>think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
>>The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]
>> -DG-
>This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
>Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
>dollars....????

Well first of all Jimmy "I'll take all you can Gimme" McKinley,

I didn't "spam" anyone with my "BodyGlove/Blaupunkt ICR2 design. I
posted it on a
International "simulator, bianary newsgroup" for the taking.
Second of all I had a nothing but positive response and alot of people
are racing that design as
we speak. I "gave" it away at NO charge because I had created it for
myself and offered it to
the not so "artistic" that wanted to drive something besides the default
car.

Thirdly, you asked for someone to "paint" a custom car for your
"sweetheart". I offered my services
to you for a very reasonable price.

Lets see, what do you for a living and do you do it for free?!
I dont think so! Or maybe you do, the way you *** over 80 dollars for
around 10 hours of work
that takes a little more than average skill. It might be that you're
"low budget" and dont have a job! Thats
what it sounds like with your "immature" uproar.

If you can find the same "quality" for FREE, more power to ya'!

-DG-

by **David Gar** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> Well just to let you know I do this for free, not only do I do it for
> free, I pay to do it.

Sounds cool, maybe you can come over and cut my grass, take out my trash
and buy the equipment needed to do. =8>]

Nah, 2 weeks doesnt sound that hard to figure somethin' out. I had
3DStudio
mastered in 2 weeks.

Well obviously your not going to sell anything if you GIVE it away!

BTW, Ive "sold" 3 cars already (2)ICR2 and (1)N2 in the past year and
have made
a little over $200(US) dollars, so to make a statment like "do not
charge, you will not sell
anything" is only an example of why your giving your time and effort
away. Of course we all
cant be smart enough to actually "charge" total strangers on vast
continents on the other end
of a modem for our time and skill that say "Hay, somebody paint a car
for my girlfriend!"

Jeez, some people

-DG-

by **John Parke** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> <tongue in cheek>
> If you can afford $80 a car, my expert time surely is worth at least this
> much. So in case anyone in interested, I've decided to start charging
> $100/hour for hardware recommendations and general tech support. If you
> send me an e-mail asking for help, expect a bill to soon follow. Hey,
> perhaps I can even convince Dave to start charging for our IWCCCARS so we
> can all be rich. =)
> </tongue in cheek>*

> * Note: for the humor impared I've kindly included these slightly
> non-standard HTML tags.

> --

> > This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
> >Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
> >dollars....????

Eric, long time - no hear from!! Where ya been? I ask more but I can't
afford your rates! :-)
--
John Parker

"Bogart" on Hawaii
Links LS Tour Member #475

x

by **Lisa McKinle** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

You DIDN'T spam us...???? What the heck do you call about 80-100
posts of the same GOSH-DARN car...?????

You wanna know why you had such a great response..??? BECAUSE YOU
POSTED IT FOR FREEEE!!! Maybe if there was a way you could find out who
all downloaded your car(s), then you truly would have made some money!
You could have billed ALL of them for d/l'ing your "$80 design"!!!

No, it's not my girlfriend...IT'S MY WIFE!!

Hmmmm...$80 for 10 hours...hardly sounds like minimum wage to me...
Is this a hobby (painting cars), or IS IT YOUR JOB???? Does the IRS
know about your little "on-the-side" income...????
3 cars in two years...??? I'd hardly call that "demand"....
Yeah...I have a job...FIGHTIN' FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES,
IN THE NAVY!!! And, yes, I have found people that can paint cars for
free, and are willing to offer them as such!! They a PRETTY DAMN GOOD
TOO!!
If you noticed, there, "Mr. Graphics Illustrator" sir, the
"Blaupunkt" on the right-hand side of your N2 car is backwards...

by **David Gar** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> <tongue in cheek>
> If you can afford $80 a car, my expert time surely is worth at least this
> much. So in case anyone in interested, I've decided to start charging
> $100/hour for hardware recommendations and general tech support. If you
> send me an e-mail asking for help, expect a bill to soon follow. Hey,
> perhaps I can even convince Dave to start charging for our IWCCCARS so we
> can all be rich. =)
> </tongue in cheek>*

> * Note: for the humor impared I've kindly included these slightly
> non-standard HTML tags.

> --

Hiya' Eric,

I am very grateful for what you've done for "free" in the past along
with
all the thanks from the other guys.

You just tell me when your ready to start painting FREE "custom" cars
for every
Tom,***, and Harry that wonders into this newsgroup and
Ill send some orders your way. I think anyone with a "half a brain" can
see my point.

BTW, how are those '97s comin'?!! If you need any templates let me know!
I'll even give 'em to ya for FREE!

=8>]

-DG-

by **David Spark** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>> <tongue in cheek>
>> If you can afford $80 a car, my expert time surely is worth at least this
>> much. So in case anyone in interested, I've decided to start charging
>> $100/hour for hardware recommendations and general tech support. If you
>> send me an e-mail asking for help, expect a bill to soon follow. Hey,
>> perhaps I can even convince Dave to start charging for our IWCCCARS so we
>> can all be rich. =)
>> </tongue in cheek>*

>> * Note: for the humor impared I've kindly included these slightly
>> non-standard HTML tags.

LOL! I like those new HTML tags, Eric.

FWIW, I'm with Jim on this one. If the guy wants to charge, let him charge.
People come to IWCCCARS all the time asking us to do custom cars for them.
Frankly, we don't even have the time to keep up with all the changes in the
real cars and maintain the quality that people associate with the project,
much less be able to do a custom car for everyone that asks for one. So if
this guy fills a void, and people are willing to pay for it, more power to
him.

Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids

by **David Gar** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> I can appreciate both your views, but paying up to $ 80.00 for a car
> to put into a game that only costs $ 40.00 (tops) for is not sound
> judgement in my opinion. I have no doubt that your efforts are
> painstaking and quality.
> --
> Take Care, Charlie

Hiya Charlie,

You know, Ive never seen someone sell a piece of canvas for more than
the artwork
that was painted on it. Papyrus didnt design ICR2 or N2 "just" for you
and only devoted
their time and money "just" for you. Its not to hard to "judge" what Im
sayin.......
The bottom line is time, effort, and quality equal price. Its one thing
to create a car set are work
on a project for the "masses". As a matter of fact Im involved with
"TSP", working on altering ICR2 helmet
and car properties to make it a little more realitstic. I wont charge
for this because
its a project that a few people have decided to get together to make
ICR2 realistic
and it would therefore be offered for the benefit of everyone! That is
my decission. However Im not here
to paint "FREE" cars for every moron that walks in here and says "I need
someone to paint a car for
my girlfriend!"

=8>]

-DG-

by **David Gar** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> >> Ok, approximately how much are we talkin' here...?

> >>>>I havent gone over a price of $60.00(US) on the ICR2 cars. The palette for N2 however is much harder to work with and sometimes its a "painstakingly" pixel by pixel application, but my price for N2 cars hasnt risen above $80.00(US). It really depends on how long it takes me. I have to "search" the web sometimes for a couple of hours just to get the logos (sponsors) requested. If you gave me a fairly "detailed" description, I could come up with a more acurate price. The bottom line is I wor
> >research and "streamlining" involved. If you could imagine an average
> >$70.00 for 15 hours then you're looking at close to minimum wage. I
> >think that Im very "reasonable" when it comes to my time and ability.
> >The reason is, I like to work on these cars, but not for free. =8>]

> >-DG-<<<

> > This, from the guy who spammed us all with the Blaupunkt Indy Car.
> >Does ANYONE think an N2 car should be PAID for, let alone 80 FREAKIN'
> >dollars....????

> I have no connection to this guy either way, but it's a free market;
> no one has the right to tell this guy that he IS NOT PERMITTED to
> charge whatever he wants for his services. (Of course, you being a
> consumer in a free market are free to not buy the product at the price
> offered...) Then again, I'd have to help the Devil himself shovel his
> car out of his parking space before I'd pay for my own car... :-)

> ---Jim Sokoloff

Now Jim here seems to know the meaning of "services rendered".
as for the devil and his "parking spot", who would "pay" for
a car when the company one "was" working for was paying the
salary of a whole art dept.? (g)
I'm takin' a "shot on the dark" but Im pretty sure the "art"
dept at Papy didnt walked in everyday for free!

=8>]

-DG-

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