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by **Larr** » Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:44:14

I haven't seen those...

Well, maybe the Sneva crash. I don't clearly remember.

-Larry

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> >After seeing Kenny Breck's wreck at Texas this weekend, I may have to
> >re-consider. It's a close call, though.

> Tom Sneva - Indy 1975
> Stan Fox - Indy...1999?
> Greg Moore - California

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by **Larr** » Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:47:13

I remember that Michael was climbing out before anyone else got there,
unless my brain is dusty.

I do remember he raced the same weekend.

-Larry

> To pop the roof off?

> I thought Michael was basically laying flat on the tarrmac with the
> roof on him when everything was said and done.

> There was a similar accident this year, I believe in ARCA or the Busch
> series? Similar circumstances as I remember...the gate wasn't
> securely hinged, someone hit it, and it severed the car in half.

> Jason

by **Gerald Moo** » Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:10:25

> For years, the worst wreck I ever saw at a race was Michael Waltrips
> gate-removal trick at Bristol. To see a car go from 120mph to 0 in less
> than a second and the whole thing disentigrate like a crash-mobile from my
> childhood (anyone remember those?), and to see him basically pop the roof
> off and climb out was, well, astonishing.

What I remember about this one was how eerily quiet the place was
after it happened. Everybody, to a person, just gave him up for dead.
Then he gets out and it is like Lazarus from the tomb.

by **frederickso** » Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:15:02

Is there a video of this?

by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:21:30

You are thinking of Mike Harmon in BGN at Bristol last year. Someone left
the gate open for the infield and it gave way and he hit the wall head on.
It ripped the car, right down the middle. He got up out of his seat and
stood up on the track, right in front of his seat and drove the next night,
I think ...

by **jason moy** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:51:39

>I remember that Michael was climbing out before anyone else got there,
>unless my brain is dusty.

Climbing out of what? =)

http://www.boomspeed.com/bblanton/MW.jpg

Jason

by **F50 G** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:50:45

I remember seeing footage from (I think) an F1 race from the 60's when a
Mercedes (again, I think) disintegrated and the engine flew into the
crowd killing 70 people. I'm not sure how fast the car was going.

There were no fences at that time and it looked like the crowd was right
up against the track wall.

- F50 GT

>>>For years, the worst wreck I ever saw at a race was Michael Waltrips
>>>gate-removal trick at Bristol. To see a car go from 120mph to 0 in less
>>>than a second and the whole thing disentigrate like a crash-mobile from

> my

>>>childhood (anyone remember those?), and to see him basically pop the roof
>>>off and climb out was, well, astonishing.

>>>Now, I'm on the fence (no pun intended).

>>>After seeing Kenny Breck's wreck at Texas this weekend, I may have to
>>>re-consider. It's a close call, though.

>>>Kenny's wreck was definitely in the "There's NO way that guy is still

> alive"

>>>catagory. Especially since his helmet was shoved into the fence AND the
>>>track on two different occasions.

>>>I'm glad he got away with minor injuries (considering). I've never seen

> a

>>>race car spin like a top like that before. Astonishing...

>>>This was, for all intents and purposes, an airplane crash.

>>http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1013/1637489.html

>>Pretty much sums up my opinion about it, though I'm not entirely
>>unbiased on the matter. I f**n hate ovals. Now even moreso.

> When I saw the footage, I was reminded of the wild ride Stan Fox took in the
> 1995(?) Indy 500. As someone who has grown up watching F1 and European
> motorsport, and was only exposed to oval racing when Nigel Mansell took up
> Indycar in 1993, nothing prepares you for the sight of a car travelling
> normally then disintegrating in the blink of an eye.

> So what can we take from this incident? Well, Kenny is still with us, a
> miraculous thing betrayed only by the fact that he has many difficult weeks
> ahead of him, and he'll get through it with the support and love of his
> friends and family - and he will be a father. No other drivers were hurt, to
> say nothing of the implications were it a front-stretch collision.

> ++
> SP

by **Mitch_** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:06:28

Oh yea that was a baddy. The late 50's I believe. Mercedes pulled out of
racing after that one. IIRC wasnt that the "Matchstick" (whatever that
chemical is that starts a match) car? It went into the stands and killed a
bunch of spectators burning many.

> I remember seeing footage from (I think) an F1 race from the 60's when a
> Mercedes (again, I think) disintegrated and the engine flew into the
> crowd killing 70 people. I'm not sure how fast the car was going.

> There were no fences at that time and it looked like the crowd was right
> up against the track wall.

> - F50 GT

> >>>For years, the worst wreck I ever saw at a race was Michael Waltrips
> >>>gate-removal trick at Bristol. To see a car go from 120mph to 0 in
less
> >>>than a second and the whole thing disentigrate like a crash-mobile from

> > my

> >>>childhood (anyone remember those?), and to see him basically pop the
roof
> >>>off and climb out was, well, astonishing.

> >>>Now, I'm on the fence (no pun intended).

> >>>After seeing Kenny Breck's wreck at Texas this weekend, I may have to
> >>>re-consider. It's a close call, though.

> >>>Kenny's wreck was definitely in the "There's NO way that guy is still

> > alive"

> >>>catagory. Especially since his helmet was shoved into the fence AND
the
> >>>track on two different occasions.

> >>>I'm glad he got away with minor injuries (considering). I've never
seen

> > a

> >>>race car spin like a top like that before. Astonishing...

> >>>This was, for all intents and purposes, an airplane crash.

> >>http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1013/1637489.html

> >>Pretty much sums up my opinion about it, though I'm not entirely
> >>unbiased on the matter. I f**n hate ovals. Now even moreso.

> > When I saw the footage, I was reminded of the wild ride Stan Fox took in
the
> > 1995(?) Indy 500. As someone who has grown up watching F1 and European
> > motorsport, and was only exposed to oval racing when Nigel Mansell took
up
> > Indycar in 1993, nothing prepares you for the sight of a car travelling
> > normally then disintegrating in the blink of an eye.

> > So what can we take from this incident? Well, Kenny is still with us, a
> > miraculous thing betrayed only by the fact that he has many difficult
weeks
> > ahead of him, and he'll get through it with the support and love of his
> > friends and family - and he will be a father. No other drivers were
hurt, to
> > say nothing of the implications were it a front-stretch collision.

> > ++
> > SP

by **Byron John Forbe** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:24:08

Yeah, I watched this race and I have never seen a motor racing accident
where you knew the chances of survival where this close to zero. Probably
180-200mph head first (drivers head. not head on collision) straight into
the concrete wall! Sought of horrendous yet merciful. I'll bet he never got
a chance to fear and simply never felt a thing. It annoys me that the space
between track and infield was large enough to allow this to happen along
with the angle of the wall to allow vehichles to exit the infield. And the
edge of the access road that flipped him over. But
anyway....................

RIP

> >Greg Moore - California

> The only thing I saw of the Greg Moor accident were a couple of
> stills. I never ever want to see a video of it.

> BTW, how about Alex Zanardi's wreck in Germany -- nobody's mentioned
> that yet, I don't think...

by **Race15** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:06:26

Video of many famous F-1 wrecks, including Williamson, Lauda, Villenueve, Pryce
etc. can be found at

http://www.formula1news.it)/

On the righ hand colum under video click on "Oltra 90 Filmati"

Mike

by **btgos** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:25:06

For me the worst wreck I ever saw was more personal. I am a northeast NASCAR
modified fan, grew up going to Islip Speedway and the other tracks on the
island. It made summer vacation even that much more enjoyable. I grew up
both loving and hating Charlie Jarzombek. He ruled the modifieds on the
island. (It's a shame he was not added to NASCAR's all time top ten Modified
drivers.)
The mods raced at Martinsville in support of the Cup cars, and would run the
day before. They never got any television coverage, maybe the odd ESPN tape
delayed race, but nothing else. But I still recall the monday morning,
getting ready for school, watching "Good Morning America" and hearing about
a driver killed. I turned to look, and there was the shot of Charlie being
pulled from the car. The accident was shown, for ratings of course, and it
was a crash very much like the one that took Dale Earnhardt, just at the
much smaller and slower Martinsville.
For me that was the worst. Someone I had known from my Grandmothers church,
someone I had cheered and jeered. And the one time they get on television,
it is as their body is being pulled from the car.

by **Jay Beckma** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:32:36

You're leaving out the most ironic part of this wreck !!!

Once Harmon's car came to rest, Michael Waltrip (of all people) came around
turn two and just about T-Boned Harmon taking off most of the car behind the
drivers seat.

> > I forgot all about that wreck. That was ***. Geoff Bodine's big un'
was
> > ugly. And, who was it that had the car tore right from around him. Just
> > sitting in the seat and the back of the car around him if i remember
> right.
> > Any good links on a video of Kenny's boo-boo ?? I missed this one.

by **Pete** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:47:03

LOL Very nice. I'll have to quote you some time. :-)

Pete

by **Raja** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:06:53

I had the misfortune of borrowing a friends video about 70's f1 racing when
I was about 11. Bryce's crash was included in all its horrific glory. This
was in the late 80's and I finally understood why my mother was not crazy
about my new passion for racing. To this day that crash is vivid in my mind,
but I never want to see it again.
When ITV in the UK showed a brief glimpse of that ***wit on the track at
silverstone I was so glad they cut to adverts. I did not want to see that
kind of carnage again.

On lucky escapes however, 'Lucky' Luciano Burti should have been dead after
his crash at spa a few years ago. There was not a huge smash, he just
speered off into the tyre wall at 180mpg and tunnelled under the tyres. I
remember Irvine (who was totally at fault) pulling over and running back to
the car. HE lifted up the tyre wall (proof of the ability to get amazing
strength when you need it) to reveal Burti's head bured in his lap. I was
certain, Murray Walker sounded certain, that he was dea. How he survived
with No injuries!!!! Unbelievable!!!!

> > The Geoff Bodine truck disentigration(sp?) was a biggie...So was
> >Waltrips...I still remember that Yellow Pontiac just stopping. I haven't
> >seen the Pryce accident..that I know of

> Someone's car is disabled towards the end of the long front straight.
> Marshalls rush across the track to aid to him. Tom Pryce comes over
> the brow, unable to avoid the second marshall. Fire extinguisher hits
> him in the head killing him instantly. Marshall is shredded to
> pieces. Pryce's car continues at full chat all the way down the
> straight and has a horrible collision with the fence at the end.

> It might not sound bad, but it's something you never ever ever ever
> want to see if you can help it.

> Jason

by **Raja** » Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:12:48

Another amazing escae was at the Goodwood Revival in 2001 (I think). At the
start of one of the 1950's gp cars, two clipped wheels and it resulted in
one of the cars being launched.
As with the tradition, the drivers were wearing no belts. Watching the
driver cartwheel through the air out of the car at what seemed like at
enormous height was horrific. The track just went silen for what seemed an
eternity. It was ages until the announcement was made that he had only
broken a rib. He was a lucky SOB in my opinion. Seeing that in the flesh
increased my respect for early F1/all racing drivers. It also reenforced my
belief that all the old drivers were CRAZY!!!!

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