>>>Troll! Troll! ;-)
>>That is not any more a troll than the message saying F1RS is an arcade
>>game.
>Er yes that would be true, but no-one said that. They did say that GP2
>was an arcade game, and either of those statements would adequately
>qualify as a bona-fide troll, hence my comment.
> >You obviously know *nothing* about simulations at all to make a
> >statement like this?
> About as much as the guy calling F1RS an arcade racing game.
No, fraid not, wasn't me, definitely not.
Where did I say this? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but
if it's a stupid, uninformed, and widely broadcast opinion (like say,
on newsnet?) then don't be surprised if you get uncomplimentary
comments about it!
No, definitely not, see above....
What I look for on this (and other) newsgroups, is constructive,
helpful, informed and supportive comments and opinions.
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Correct, a classic *ARCADE* game, not a classic Simulator?
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> F1RS plays like shit ,menu interface is much to slow ,the colours looks like
> a nintendo game and the cars are shitty also!!
> Buy GP2 ,....you really have a good time with that one,...as an appitizer for GP3!!!!
l8er
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Instantaneous transition from intention to reality - The racing breed of
vehicle will try to snap your head off with every gesture you make. These
include (but are not limited to) acceleration, braking, and turn in.
Stepping on the gas is *** and frightening the first time you do it in a
racing vehicle. The kart reacts immediately to throttle input and you'd
better be sure you have the weight *exactly* where you want it when you do
step on the throttle. The kart can react in a multitude of ways, and
disaster has the greater probability if you are unaware of what you are
telling the kart to do. I would assume an F1 car to be a lot the same. My
road car however, is not like that.
Braking will produce fewer problems but all problems can end up the same
way. Braking in a kart is very precise and powerful. If I were to brake 5
inches earlier in most turns, I could almost guarantee getting rearended. My
road car however, is not like that.
And turn in is the most beautiful thing in a racing vehicle. There is no
hesitation, just reaction. I can tell by watching the TV that an F1 car and
a kart turn in very much like each other. My road car however, is not like
that.
So I may know a little about the way it feels and looks. F1RS does NOT
simulate any of the attributes I've mentioned above. It does, however, feel
quite a bit like my road car.
GP2 does simulate the attributes I've mentioned above. CPR is even better.
I would say that GP2 is a driving sim. Although 1 generation behind F1RS.
But that does not mean F1RS is a better driving sim. It's not. It's a very
simmer friendly arcade. Maybe a racing sim. But F1RS is not a driving sim.
Not by any stretch of the imagination. GPL is a driving sim if you need to
make a comparison. It's every bit about balance.
BTW A slide at 90 mph feels exactly the same as a slide at 40 mph. There is
nothing "floating" about it. It is still gritty and detailed. It just
happens twice as fast. :-)
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>> to me F1rs always feels like I'm floating along above the track (a
>> 3dfx symptom perhaps?)
>> whereas GP2 feels more like I expect.
>> But it is very subjective: get them both and decide for yourself.
> I know what you are talking about. My thinking is that at
>40 MPH I get that drifting going around a curve in my car. It
>is the tires squirming and slipping on the road. I believe
>extrapolating this to 120 MPH, or 150 MPH, would result in that
>"Floating" feeling you describe. A small slip angle at that
>speed would feel like a lot of transversal movement.
> People whose opinion I respect, don't think it would work like
>this in a Formula 1 car. All I know is that it fits with my
>experience and expectations, which are at 100 MPH less, with a
>quarter of the tire contact patch, in small cars that weigh 1000
>pounds more. We drive so much we have our expectations of how a
>car should handle. Many people love F1RS, I think this is why.
> I'm NOT suggesting that F1RS is accurate. I'm skeptical of
>those who claim GP2 is. I think that floating feeling, and other
>subtle things F1RS models, are the most important aspects of what
>makes driving fast on real twisty roads fun.
> Michael Schomacher? Johnny Herbert? Please comment.
> Larry
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>ROTFL ! Just name 3 facts where GP2 is better. Eargerly waiting ;-)
Cheers Phil
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i think you guys that love that gp2 , must not have 3dfx,for F1rs
that alone is enough to take it over the top,
looks quite real, beautiful in fact
and i can't believe anyone would think otherwise,
drives real, i can see how if you were used to driving nascar, how
different this must be,
but if its too hard, get back in that ford, and drive in circles
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> Well who in the hell are you?
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> >What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know
> >about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it,
> >you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could
> >talk your ***about driving models,
> >but since none of you have , then i don't think you have an inclincling
> >of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react,
To which Somebody else said:
And I add:
I don't know who he is either, I figure he's probably right also... but
I think the indignation came not so much as to WHO he is, but as to HOW
he said it. Plain and simple: If'n yor gonna' talk to us edumacated
simmer's... then you need to come up to our level... ain't that right,
all you'ins? ;-)
Andre "Bubba" Ming ("Bubba"... remember Bruce?)
Have fun and keep it light...
*Peter* 8-)
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