rec.autos.simulators

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>Cmon David...

>Do you really expect me and you to do a serious conversation like we are
>enemies? my post are full of ";)" and ";-D" or <insert XYZ smiley>

>I know you like GPL . You even know (I think from a email) I like MGPRS2
>(Eh Ronald surprise eh ? :-D ). I will *** sometimes at Ubisoft, the
same
>as you do at Papyrus sometimes. So what's wrong here ? nothing... we're
>having fun on a serious level.

>having fun on a serious level.. bingo

You're right. It is kind of funny that a certain group of people would
insist I'm a obsessed, incessant, harsh, and unfair critic of GPL even
though I consider it an an excellent sim and barely said a word about it for
months.

David G Fisher

GPL is an excellent sim.

by **Ian La** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>>Now that Ian Lake has won the GPL World Series online competition
>>against the likes of George Sandman and Wolfgang Woeger.
>>Can he be regarded as a top sim racer? Has his online experience and
>>achievements now fullfilled his requirements to be a top sim racer?
>>Please discuss and show examples why or why not.

>Heh. How can someone who blew TWO engine's in only SIX laps to be
>considered a top sim racer?

Oh come on. I've gotta have some bad days in between all those wins
:o)))

Ian

/\
2 engines, 6 laps. That's my record :) I think alot of ppl have beat
it though :)
/\

by **Ian Parke** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Hehe, that's nothing, I've killed two Lotus engines on the first lap at
Rouenn, one on the grid (causing a major pileup when everyone behind started
and I didn't) and one when I hit the trees. Six laps of my driving would
take all of the Stewart Ford engines from last year :)
I learned to lift off the gas on the gearchanges :)
--
Ian Parker

ICQ 21772592

>Hehe. I was having a really bad day with the Honda at Kyalami and blew my
>qualifying engine after 2 laps :-) Well, at least I moved to 3rd on the
>grid :-D My race engine expired as well, but I forget how many laps it
>took.

>I've never blown an Eagle engine. This is wierd. It all started about 2
>weeks ago. Maybe its the change in seasons causing this to happen, or my
>high-school mechanics ;-)

>Jason.

>> >Heh. How can someone who blew TWO engine's in only SIX laps to be
>> >considered a top sim racer?

>> Oh come on. I've gotta have some bad days in between all those wins
>> :o)))

>> Ian

>> /\
>> 2 engines, 6 laps. That's my record :) I think alot of ppl have beat
>> it though :)
>> /\

by **Driver** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

No don't tell them it's a game. They say it's a sim.

by **Ian La** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I'm amazed David :) And actually very pleased :))))

Not only did you provide good arguments, but you also supported them
with facts and experience :) All facts where correct, and well stated
with examples.

It was a very good post :) I'm still a bit shocked by your ability to
construct your arguments properly. I though it was not possible.

Now, if you applied that to all other posts you make in the future,
you may still get a hard time from the papy cheergroup (and others),
but other people will listen and respect your views.

I know i've changed my view on you. Previously, I saw you as a
arrogant extremist (sorry :). But today you have displayed the
complete opposite!

Well done! :)))

Shhhh, don't tell anyone that I barely get 5-10hours a week in gpl....

Ian

I'm amazed David :) And actually very pleased :))))

Not only did you provide good arguments, but you also supported them
with facts and experience :) All facts where correct, and well stated
with examples.

It was a very good post :) I'm still a bit shocked by your ability to
construct your arguments properly. I though it was not possible.

Now, if you applied that to all other posts you make in the future,
you may still get a hard time from the papy cheergroup (and others),
but other people will listen and respect your views.

I know i've changed my view on you. Previously, I saw you as a
arrogant extremist (sorry :). But today you have displayed the
complete opposite!

Well done! :)))

Shhhh, don't tell anyone that I barely get 5-10hours a week in gpl....

Ian

by **John Walla** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:58:18 -0500, "David G Fisher"

>I know it's a very common technique on a newsgroup but please don't attempt
>to take the high rode by accusing me of melodrama, and scolding me for a
>complaint. Especially since you caused most of this by insisting I
>constantly attack GPL "again and again ad infinitum" when I've shown you
>that I've actually been virtually silent for three months.

"Oh, ye'll tak the high rode, and I'll tak the low rode" as we, er,
don't sing in Scotland. You could have stayed silent on the subject as
everyone else was doing. If you insinst on airing your views in public
you know that others will present the contrary view. It's also clear
from the flurry of messages what exception you take to this.

Still, let's not regress to "It was him mummy".

Oh rubbish. You post one view (to someone who didn't want to hear it)
and others post a different view. That's democratic debate. I don't
see anyone slamming you for holding that view, just disagreeing with
it. If recently people have stopped posting their views and politely
asking you to give it a rest posting yours might give an indication of
how old it's getting.

We don't need to explain it to you of course, since this is only
tongue in cheek. Right....?

Cheers!
John

by **John Walla** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:26:56 -0500, "David G Fisher"

>I stated that many times in the past too. Guys like ymenard,John and the
>other Papyrus groupies like to ignore that so they can b**ch.

You choose to believe that since it satisfies this "underdog" position
you seem to cling to. Fact is that no-one is disagreeing with you
holding a particular point of view, thinking GPL is excellent or
anything of the like. There are particular issues that you have
crusaded about in the past, and since I see these areas as lacking the
majority of flaws you paint them with I feel compelled to present that
view in the interest of fairness.

I do the same with any other person and any other sim, but you choose
to see this as about "you" and your views on GPL. I'm sure Freud would
have something to say on the subject.

There's an area where we agree totally. Not only on sims, but EVH as
well! :-)

Cheers!
John

by **Remco Moe** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

If someone has the ability to be persistent to archieve a goal, and
has the discipline to put many hours at it, I would say it is a
talent, aswell. If someone has the talent "for free", you can hardly
say they've earned it.

Remco

by **BendsMast** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I apologize for butting in, but 5 to 10 hours a week?
Well, you must be talented.

by **BendsMast** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>>I dont think it's wise to discuss how good an individual is or is not in
>>sims. People will only get upset. There are also too many variables which
>>can't be seen. I will say that there are people like George who who I firmly
>>believe is fantastic because his talent is TOO obvious. There are many
>>others who simply practice so much that they can't help but burn every
>>movement of their hands and feet into their subconscious. The amount of
>>hours some put into a sim is unreal. Someone else with a fraction of the
>>practice time can step in and challenge them. That's what I consider a great
>>sim racer/athlete/artist/etc. Natural talent. A lot of 15 year olds can play
>>VH's Eruption perfectly. That doesn't make them a great guitar player.

>If someone has the ability to be persistent to archieve a goal, and
>has the discipline to put many hours at it, I would say it is a
>talent, aswell. If someone has the talent "for free", you can hardly
>say they've earned it.

>Remco

Quite true. The way in which you approach the game is the key wether
you're talented or not. And as for talent in GPL, well, I don't think
you would brand yourself talented until you manage a good setup, which
will require quite a few laps at the end of the day.
But one word rings in my ears everytime I think of GPL, and that is
CONSISTENCY. If you can't reproduce your best time and time again then
all the talent in the world is useless. We are in a sense teaching
ourselves a new skill, driving a GPL car.
Look at snooker, it requires a lot of accuracy and all the top 16
players are have it perhaps as good as each othe, but who are the
winners? Davis, Hendry, Higgins not O'Sullivan.
It might seem odd compaing GPL to snooker, but both require
consistency, and a lot of commitment to be able to produce your best
again and again. I would class professional snooker far more difficult
of course, but we don't want to go down that road...
I can drive the Lotus quite fast for my standard nowadays, but sooner
or later I end up making a mistake. But I have managed 30 laps before,
I just don't think you could achieve consistency without a lot of
hours. Or is consistency a talent in itslef?
if so, I am definitely not talented. At least for GPL anyway.
Cheers.

by **Ronald Stoe** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

> >Cmon David...

> >Do you really expect me and you to do a serious conversation like we are
> >enemies? my post are full of ";)" and ";-D" or <insert XYZ smiley>

> >I know you like GPL . You even know (I think from a email) I like MGPRS2
> >(Eh Ronald surprise eh ? :-D ). I will *** sometimes at Ubisoft, the
> same
> >as you do at Papyrus sometimes. So what's wrong here ? nothing... we're
> >having fun on a serious level.

> >having fun on a serious level.. bingo

> You're right. It is kind of funny that a certain group of people would
> insist I'm a obsessed, incessant, harsh, and unfair critic of GPL even
> though I consider it an an excellent sim and barely said a word about it for
> months.

And remember, I'm one of the few guys complaining about another guy constantly
dissing this modern F1 sim by ObiSoft (inside joke for German readers)... ;^)

l8er
ronny

--
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by **ymenar** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

John Wallace and Ronald Stoehr wrote :

lol ;-)

May the Force be with you John!. I have no idea if the hype in UK is as big
as here in North America, but still Im sorry you will need to wait until
July 16th to see the movie, as it doesn't open in an International release
;(

For those who don't live in NAmerica and would like to know when it will
open in their country, look at this URL :
http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/news/trailer/international/

And it will please the r.a.s. citizens since it has a race in the movie
(with announcers, pitstops, alot of passing, drafting, crashing, etc... !)

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/

by **ymenar** » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00

As Obi-Wan would say : "Run John, Run!" to your video store. You can skip
ET because it's mostly a cuty movie made by Speilberg only for the $, but
Star Wars ? agh cmon :)

And to make you happy, Ewan McGregor is in Episode 1, so why don't you go
help a fellow of you and go rent the trilogy someday. Episode 1 is the most
anticipated movie in history, so if there is at least 1 movie to go see,
check it out. The Thing is nice also.. Carpenter at his best. Im a movie
geek also eh ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Ian La** » Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:00:00

You are correct. Developing your own setup, for which you can drive
comfortably and consistantly is a key step to driving gpl.

You can shortcut it though. Download some setups off the web, and find
a driver whos setups seem comfortable to drive in a race situation.
This may be hard, because the majority of setups are designed for
hotlapping and not racing. (FYI, My hotlap setups are actually race
setups :)

I do believe consistancy is a talent in itself. It can be taught to a
fair degree. But you can always tell the ppl who have that magic
something, that allows them to finish race after race.

And i'm not just talking about the fast guys who have consistancy. I'm
also talking about those ppl who can drive their way into podium
positions, just by sheer ability to keep the car on the black stuff,
and out of trouble. I've seen this on vroc numerous times, and in
general motor racing on tv.

Then you get the drivers that rock up to a track, do a couple of laps,
and start doing lap records, not only in practice mode, but during the
qual and race. They have both consistancy and speed. A lethal
combination. e.g. Shumacher, Senna, Prost

Ian

by **Ian La** » Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:00:00

>I apologize for butting in, but 5 to 10 hours a week?
>Well, you must be talented.

I normally don't have time or the energy to race on weekdays as I work
fulltime, and also have uni lectures. So usually I only get to race on
weekends.

But so far this week i've spent 5 hours on gpl, doing the 2 of the new
NTT series races.

I hope to get a few hours in before tommorrow nights GPLWS race2 at
kyalami, then I have the NTT final on sunday morning.

It may be a busy week for gpl. I might manage 15 hours if i'm lucky :)

Ian

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