rec.autos.simulators

What do you guys want? I want you to be happy so please tell me.

Here's an example. I have posted four innocuous, GPL related posts in the
last THREE MONTHS leading up to one the
other day. GPL has been out for six months and I have had virtually NO
COMMENT on it for half that time. I'm repeating this in my posts only
because I see some new posts today still accusing me of ripping GPL. Those
numbers don't seem to sink in.

Two days ago I politely disagree with someone about GPL and then,
predictably, VERY FAMILIAR names from the Papyrus group of cheerleaders
immediately accuse me of "again and again ad infinitum" attacking GPL. They
say I "obsessively" and "constantly" criticize it. They e-mail me with
similiar comments. They immediately want to start an argument here at r.a.s.
which MUST bore most of you.

How does four posts over three months translate to the above? It would of
been almost impossible for me to be LESS critical. What the he** is wrong
with GPL/Papyrus fans? You guys pull this ***with so many people it's
bizarre. You cry if GPL is criticized by anyone, especially in a review by a
*** web site, yet you blungeon other sims, their developers/publishers,
their fans, and eagerly provide links to reviews which you just happen to
agree with. You wonder why some jokingly refer to you as a cult?

How does the FACT that I've stated over, and over, and over, and over, that
GPL is an excellent sim get ignored? Dumb question Dave.

Is there some kind of rule that I need to repeat this with every third
sentence in any GPL related posts? Should I put it in my sig line? Tell me
what the rules are for GPL posting. I missed the meeting.

As ymenard said, it's all politics. It's about cheerleading for your
"candidate"
and attacking any "opponent". Accuracy and fact are irrelevent. Emotion is
everything. No wonder developers/publishers avoid it so much (Pat). They
want facts, not melodrama.

I only posted this as a perfect example of something that I've seen happen
here so often. Distortion, exaggeration, and a disregard of the facts is
used by some simply so they can make others see them as winners in a silly
debate.

You'd think that type of ***could at least be left out of discussions
about sims. Do we really need it here too?

As for the same "Papyrus 10" who have been trying to bust my balls (and
failing miserably) for the past year and a half, why don't you simply put my
name on your "ignore" list and be happy? The other r.a.s. users surely find
the bickering tedious. Also, there may be a sim coming out
pretty soon which I may say (gulp) is better than GPL. You don't want to
have to suffer through that, do you?

David G Fisher

GPL is an excellent sim. (my new sig line)

Take a holiday. The carribean is nice this time of year.  Try taking a walk
in the park, and whilst you do, remember these few words....

It's Only A Newsgroup, and It's Only a Game.

OK...

Oh, I do know a good therapist if that doesn't help.

Doug

Dave, maybe this will make them happy, and you...

Just let it slide, and read RAS with a smile :-)

Just makes life easier because there will always be someone who
disagrees with you, sometimes in a way that gets under your skin... as
you know sometimes it can get ugly.

Happy Racing! :-)

--Dave

<snip>

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

snipped>

stop being such a drama queen

Dave Hawnt UK-GPL

But, hey - who gives a sh!t?

chill baby, chill

:)

-Lindsay

.....trimmed for economy....

I guess Doug and Andrew didn't notice that the original post was written
with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Maybe I was to subtle for them.

David G Fisher

GPL is an excellent sim.

I'm certainly not bothered by it :)

Yes, you are correct. The original post was polite(see below). But I
can see how ppl will question your reasoning.

<snip of your inital post>

David G Fisher
<unsnip>

Now, this is a poorly written post. Polite, but poorly written.

It states an opinion. But, it does not support it with facts, or
experience.

What did you expect the other posters to do? Your known by alot of
people as having fairly strong view about just about anything. Yes, I
have even disagreed with you on a different topic, "Am I a top sim
racer"

Yes, you have stated in this post, gpl is a excellent sim. But back in
your the inital post(the one above), ppl would have gone on your
previous view, regardless if it was only 4 posts.

Good paragraph. But they do have some reason. Gpl is a great sim. But
yes, I agree with you. There are ppl that will bludgeon other sims and
their developers, though it's not just restricted to papyrus sims.

You do get this alot more from the papyrus supporters, because gpl is
the most advanced sim of the moment. A widely held view, supported by
the majority of RAS, and the online sim community. Just look at the
number of gpl posts daily compared to other sims.

But, have you noticed that this bludgeoning is not just against the
non-papy believers? (i'm not refereing to you). Recently the SCGT demo
was released. Alot of ppl posted very fast how ***the game is. Alot
of people liked it though. The flame wars about SCGT where shortlived,
but a good example of other sims getting bludgeoned.

Unfortunately, this is very hypocritical.

< snip from earlier in this post>
<unsnip>

Accuracy and fact are missing from the above paragraph. Opinion and
humour(sarcasm maybe) are the only thing prevalent that I can see

<snip number 2>
<unsnip>

Firstly, accuracy.
No you are not required to repeat the line that you think "gpl is
excelent"
There are no rules to gpl posting
There was no meeting.

To me, these 2 paragraphs are full of emotion. Plain and simple. Ask
yourself. Do they convey facts?

Quote from above, "Silly debate".

How do you expect people to take this?

If you think it is a silly debate, why bother posting?

You are correct, we don't need exaggeration, distortion, and a
disregard of the facts.

I certainly hope there is a sim better than gpl. Hopefully gp3 will be
out soon :)))

Ok, i've stated my opinion. Most importantly, i've been supporting my
opinion, with facts and experiences. I believe I that it is unbiased,
though some may diagree. That's ok.

I even agreed with you on some points, David :) And disagreed on
others.

You made some good points, supported them with experieces and facts.

But there was far too many paragraphs that where purely sarcasm or
humour. Something that is the complete opposite of what you want in
posts. Namely, accuracy and facts.

Ok, while i'm here, I though I would ask David a question (Phrased in
the essay kind of way to be as unbiased as possilbe)

Now that Ian Lake has won the GPL World Series online competition
against the likes of George Sandman and Wolfgang Woeger.
Can he be regarded as a top sim racer? Has his online experience and
achievements now fullfilled his requirements to be a top sim racer?
Please discuss and show examples why or why not.

Ian Lake

/\
David knows the history of the last part. I'm just wondering if he has
changed his views? He seemed quite addament when this was discussed
ages ago, that I could not be regarded to be a top sim racer, because
I was not an experienced online racer.
/\

<Duck, Run and Hide>

Mwuhahaha

Remco

David, until this post I honestly thought you took this, as I do, very
much tongue in cheek. If you really do feel so persecuted then you
honestly need to take some of your own advice. If someone disagrees
with you it's really not important.

I hope it was tongue in cheek, if not I'm concerned...!

Cheers!
John

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

No one "runs" r.a.s.  No one (short of menard) ever even _thought_
they ran it :)

USENET is about debate - debate is about finding the truth.  What
is frustrating about Dave is not his opinions, or his statements.
It is his utter lack of ability to let new information shape his
opinions.

His above comment (directed at me) is a perfect example.  I, and
others, have listed to Dave the game developers who post to this
group DAILY!!!  Yet in Dave's mind, they "avoid it like the
plague".

Repeating obviously false statements like that one over and over
is not only annoying, but it kills credibility.

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

I've never blown an Eagle engine.  This is wierd.  It all started about 2
weeks ago.  Maybe its the change in seasons causing this to happen, or my
high-school mechanics ;-)

Jason.