rec.autos.simulators

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:58:15

Messed around at lunch today and watched those guys driving each other's
cars around the F1 course at Indy. JPM flat-spotted the Cup car's tires by
trying to use F1 braking zones, and Gordon went quick enough in a half dozen
laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP. As with everyone who first
gets in one it seems, Gordon freaked on the carbon-carbon brakes of the
FW24, while Montoya was surprised at how much the Cup car moved around up on
the banking at speed. Looked like they both had a lot of fun, and it was
nice to see that crowd goofing on the whole thing. Everyone was smiling but
the Williams mechanics, who all looked like they had something bad for
lunch. But then PH would probably sack 'em if he caught them smiling... ;-)

by **Mike Portno** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:21:21

Gordon went quick enough in a half dozen

Not true the pole was a 1:10.79. The slowest car on the grid was a 1:13.81.
He needed to drop about 3 more seconds to be in last place, but still very
impressive for his first time in an F1 car!

by **Mike Donnelly J** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:45:35

I think that they clarified that by saying with the 107% rule, he'd
have made it. Barely. But then again, what were the weather
conditions on that day and did the Williams folks put a pole chasing
setup on it? My guess would be, probably not. But with a week or so
practice...

Could he move to F1? Probably. Would he want to? Doubtful. But it
was neat to see both drivers go ga-ga over the situation... :)

> Gordon went quick enough in a half dozen
>> laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP.

>Not true the pole was a 1:10.79. The slowest car on the grid was a 1:13.81.
>He needed to drop about 3 more seconds to be in last place, but still very
>impressive for his first time in an F1 car!

by **Haqsa** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:49:07

Sounds interesting. Do you know if that is going to be rebroadcast in prime
time at all?

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:51:35

> I think that they clarified that by saying with the 107% rule, he'd
> have made it. Barely. But then again, what were the weather
> conditions on that day and did the Williams folks put a pole chasing
> setup on it? My guess would be, probably not. But with a week or so
> practice...

> Could he move to F1? Probably. Would he want to? Doubtful. But it
> was neat to see both drivers go ga-ga over the situation... :)

Hopefully they'll show it over here as well (yeah right), as for Gordon
in F1...many F1 hacks seems to believe that Gordon could have been a
decent F1 driver, bit late to switch now perhaps ? :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Mike Donnelly J** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:09:44

It's been kicked around on this side of the pond a bit, and the bench
racing conclusion is that he could make it in F1 if he wanted to. Of
course, he'd probably take quite a paycut to do so which is probably
what is stopping him. (That and talking with the now unemployed John
Andretti about his cousin's experience.)

Could he make the jump successfully? Probably. But, look at JPM.
He's a fantastic driver, and yet he has what, 2 wins? Granted, he's
had a lot of mechanical misfortune when he's had winning
opportunities, but still, if there was someone who could take on
Shumie, I would have put some money that it would have been him. I'm
still shocked that Zanardi didnt go back and kick Shumie's butt. That
was a guy with some serious car control. Even with a slightly
inferior car, I figured he'd give Shumie a run.

The interesting question (at least to me) would be, how would Shumie
do in a 'primative' stock car... I'd love to see that. For him to
come here though... Talk about a paycut...

Speaking of high-priced athletes, what about that Beckham deal? (just
to throw a bit of fuel on the fire)

Mike

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:51:35 +0200, Goy Larsen

>> I think that they clarified that by saying with the 107% rule, he'd
>> have made it. Barely. But then again, what were the weather
>> conditions on that day and did the Williams folks put a pole chasing
>> setup on it? My guess would be, probably not. But with a week or so
>> practice...

>> Could he move to F1? Probably. Would he want to? Doubtful. But it
>> was neat to see both drivers go ga-ga over the situation... :)

>Hopefully they'll show it over here as well (yeah right), as for Gordon
>in F1...many F1 hacks seems to believe that Gordon could have been a
>decent F1 driver, bit late to switch now perhaps ? :-)

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy
>"goyl at nettx dot no"

>http://www.theuspits.com

>"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
>--Groucho Marx--

by **mcwho** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:22:56

Yes, it will be rebroadcast.
here is a clip on nascar.com
javascript:LaunchVideo('/video/nascar/2003/06/11/wc.mic.gordon_F1.ram');
not sure that will work, it is on the main page.
here is the speed channel replay schedule
Live Wednesday, June 11, 1pm ET
Special Replay at 7pm and midnight ET
Also replays Friday, June 20, 8:30pm

--
McWhom
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: Sounds interesting. Do you know if that is going to be rebroadcast in
prime
: time at all?
:
:

: > Messed around at lunch today and watched those guys driving each other's
: > cars around the F1 course at Indy. JPM flat-spotted the Cup car's tires
: by
: > trying to use F1 braking zones, and Gordon went quick enough in a half
: dozen
: > laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP. As with everyone who
: first
: > gets in one it seems, Gordon freaked on the carbon-carbon brakes of the
: > FW24, while Montoya was surprised at how much the Cup car moved around
up
: on
: > the banking at speed. Looked like they both had a lot of fun, and it
was
: > nice to see that crowd goofing on the whole thing. Everyone was smiling
: but
: > the Williams mechanics, who all looked like they had something bad for
: > lunch. But then PH would probably sack 'em if he caught them smiling...
: ;-)
: >
: >
:
:

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:23:00

SpeedTV says 7pm eastern - a 1hr recap.

> Sounds interesting. Do you know if that is going to be rebroadcast in
prime
> time at all?

> > Messed around at lunch today and watched those guys driving each other's
> > cars around the F1 course at Indy. JPM flat-spotted the Cup car's tires
> by
> > trying to use F1 braking zones, and Gordon went quick enough in a half
> dozen
> > laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP. As with everyone who
> first
> > gets in one it seems, Gordon freaked on the carbon-carbon brakes of the
> > FW24, while Montoya was surprised at how much the Cup car moved around
up
> on
> > the banking at speed. Looked like they both had a lot of fun, and it
was
> > nice to see that crowd goofing on the whole thing. Everyone was smiling
> but
> > the Williams mechanics, who all looked like they had something bad for
> > lunch. But then PH would probably sack 'em if he caught them smiling...
> ;-)

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:37:41

> Gordon went quick enough in a half dozen
> > laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP.

> Not true the pole was a 1:10.79. The slowest car on the grid was a
1:13.81.
> He needed to drop about 3 more seconds to be in last place, but still very
> impressive for his first time in an F1 car!

As the other Mike says, by the 107% rule he'd have made the grid. But yes,
considering it was the first time he'd sat in one, not bad. Especially
considering it was being televised live, so he surely didn't want to toss it
away. Plus, he drove it with no seat fitting or other adjustments from how
it was set up for JPM, and it was just a fun drive after all; not a test for
a contract. The only changes they made for his second stint were to put
some deflectors on his (non-aero) helmet after he said the wind was
practically pulling the thing off his head. Montoya had Gordon's crew make
changes to the Cup car since he said it was really loose on the banking.
Got his attention once or twice apparently.

More on topic for this NG, Bob Varsha mentioned Gordon told him he prepared
for driving the Indy road course with a...computer game. Imagine that. ;-)

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:11:25

I think MS had some early years running Touring cars and Sportscars.
I'm sure he would adapt to Winston Cup fairly well. What he does lack is
track/weather knowledge and that might handicap him some. But I suspect a
good driver in F1 can be a good driver elsewhere.
dave henrie

by **Dave Coo** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:43:39

> Gordon went quick enough in a half dozen
> > laps to have made the grid at last year's USGP.

> Not true the pole was a 1:10.79. The slowest car on the grid was a 1:13.81.
> He needed to drop about 3 more seconds to be in last place, but still very
> impressive for his first time in an F1 car!

Last year, the Williams drivers posted times in the mid 1:15's during
the first practice, which came down to mid 1:11's by qualifying.

I'm guessing after a couple of days, Jeffy would trim 3 or 4 seconds off
his time.

by **Mike Donnelly J** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:13:15

Particularly after today, I'd have to agree. A good driver is a good
driver. I think it would have been a bit more even if JPM had run
Indy as an oval rather than as a road course. That would give us some
idea of how he'd cut it in NASCAR.

I had thought that having all the data acquisition information
available to the drivers & engineers would erode the driver quality,
but apparently that is not the case. It didn't take long for JPM to
connect with Philipe Lopez and talk about the car. Nor did it take
him long to adopt the terminology either.

I think the real question with Shumie would be how would the "good
'ole boys" take to him. They could make his life a hell, wrecking him
or they could help him out, making the transition easy.

by **Mike Portno** » Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:13:52

Here you go...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=gordonmontoyaswap&prov=st&ty...

by **Magnus Svensso** » Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:51:46

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:09:44 GMT, Mike Donnelly Jr

>Could he make the jump successfully? Probably. But, look at JPM.
>He's a fantastic driver, and yet he has what, 2 wins? Granted, he's
>had a lot of mechanical misfortune when he's had winning
>opportunities, but still, if there was someone who could take on
>Shumie, I would have put some money that it would have been him. I'm
>still shocked that Zanardi didnt go back and kick Shumie's butt. That
>was a guy with some serious car control. Even with a slightly
>inferior car, I figured he'd give Shumie a run.

Ehhh... Go back from where? He absolutely, positively *BOMBED* in
Williams in '99. With a capital b.

Schumacher came from sportscar racing into F1(he had Jochen Mass as
teammate and mentor in the Group C Mercedes sportscar team. Another
little known fact was that he raced on the nordschleife then, it was
part of the group C championship!). So that wouldn't be that big a
problem I would think.

There was an anecdote from last year that said that Michael on
vacation in Texas went to the motorspeedway there to try out the Petty
experience(or something similar?) but grew tired of waiting in line...
Imagine the PR-value lost there and then.

by **Jason Moy** » Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:02:37

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:09:44 GMT, Mike Donnelly Jr

>It's been kicked around on this side of the pond a bit, and the bench
>racing conclusion is that he could make it in F1 if he wanted to. Of
>course, he'd probably take quite a paycut to do so which is probably
>what is stopping him. (That and talking with the now unemployed John
>Andretti about his cousin's experience.)

Petty cut Andretti? When did this happen?

Jason

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