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Is CPR worth it with the patch?

Ken

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Ken » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

With the patch, it is a marginal call. The AI is better, but is still VERY easy
to beat on the ovals. The driving model is about the same, your tires just don't
stick as much. I personally recommend F1RS  (if you don't have it) and would
wait for another patch before getting CPR.
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> Im thinking of buying CPR... but ive played the unpatched game on my friends
> computer and its a piece. Does the patch really improve the AI up to
> standards of the leading sims? And is the driving model improved in any way?
> what other things have been added. Mainly i thought the game just needed a
> framerate/AI makeover.

>     Luke

Victor Cha

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Victor Cha » Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:00:00

There would be another patch coming out soon!

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Luke Phillip

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Luke Phillip » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Im thinking of buying CPR... but ive played the unpatched game on my friends
computer and its a piece. Does the patch really improve the AI up to
standards of the leading sims? And is the driving model improved in any way?
what other things have been added. Mainly i thought the game just needed a
framerate/AI makeover.

    Luke

Mikes Design

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Mikes Design » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Hi Luke,
I would say buy it. Yes IMO the frame rate is better and the AI also. You
should also go to this site or any of the CPR sites for more info if you
need: http://cart.gamestats.com/
I am sure many here will say dont try it etc. I say if you liked the demo
you will like the improved full version even more. But mainly try it  
*Yourself* see how you like it. All MS products have a 30 day $$ back
refund so you can always return it if you dont like it. Try some of the
set-ups off the site I mentioned because yes the driving model is good. As
far as fps I get 30 with all details on using a 233PII with the STB
Velocity AGP card with their new 1.32 drivers the look is great. As far as
AI if you use the Pro settings I have found them well more than competent.
You can also race for free on the Zone against others with CPR. Good Luck
Have Fun! Mike



Daniel H Laurin

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Daniel H Laurin » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I think it is worth it.  I find I race it more than my other sims.  The
online games are still bug filled but when they work there is nothing like
them (much better than any AI.)  The AI, though much improved, has got
problems.  They like to bump way to much for open wheel cars and they will
not even try to avoid you if you aren't racing the straight and narrow line.
I don't have any issue with the frame rates which are as smooth on my
machine as most of my other racers (I get between 18-28fps with a P200mmx
and a 3Dfx.)

This sim gets way too much bashing in this forum and I suspect it is a
combination of anti-MS and people falling in with the crowd.

It could use improvement, no doubt, but there isn't a better sim for free
online racing.  I think the online racing is alone is worth the price of
admission.  I have had relatively smooth games with 6 people in an internet
race.

If you are going to spend most of your time racing against the computer
there are better sims, but if head to head online racing is what you
crave....give yourself a MS Cart Precsion Racing fix.

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>Im thinking of buying CPR... but ive played the unpatched game on my
friends
>computer and its a piece. Does the patch really improve the AI up to
>standards of the leading sims? And is the driving model improved in any
way?
>what other things have been added. Mainly i thought the game just needed a
>framerate/AI makeover.

>    Luke

Bruce Kennewel

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Oh....most definitely.....rush out and buy it before they all
disappear!!!

(Toungue firmly in cheek!)

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Randy BO

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Randy BO » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00

easy to beat on the ovals. >>

Its actually fairly easy to beat anywhere if you spend some time hotlapping
first.   I downloaded all of the 1997 results from SpeedCenter so I could work
on beating each real-world Pole.  I managed to get a 1:33 in Australia, and
once I grabbed the pole in qualifying, I won easily.  Ovals are just not worth
it right now because of the speed limits.  At Nazareth I could go almost flat
out on 2 of the 3 turns with a fairly loose setup, but the game limited me to
192 mph.  That put me off oval racing pretty fast.

The AI is MUCH much better.  They do an almost inhuman job at somehow not
hitting you regardless of where you are on the track, but its very easy to plow
into them when they get bunched up going into tight corners.  But the AI still
needs work on their racing lines & speeds the way Papyrus' did.  For instance,
going into the first kink in Australia, I can just dab the brakes, downshift
and dart through it, almost straightlining it.  The AI cars slow down too much,
so I could get by them mainly by making sure I darted to the left of them while
they were still slowing down.  They lost more time in that kink and another one
on the backstraight than anywhere else on the track, where they were
competitive.  The real challenge is on the Zone, where there are some good
drivers.  I got thoroughly smoked at Rio by someone even though I thought I was
doing well.  I was losing 2-3 seconds PER LAP!  

Even though it sounds odd, F1RS had a major part in helping me learn how to
appreciate CPR more.  Not because there's anything wrong with F1RS, but because
it successfully taught me how to use more finesse in ALL of my driving inputs.
That finesse is just as badly (if not more so) needed in CPR than it is in F1RS
because of the drastically reduced rear-grip and complete willingness of the
car to go loose under heavy acceleration.

I disagree. I think the driving model is totally different with the reduced
grip and near steering/control changes.  I could hammer the gas down on the
previous version, knowing that the weight transfer would make the rears grab.
Now they don't grab...they keep right on sliding, and you can't just overcome
it with more throttle.  By rewarding smoothness and perfect lines, the sim has
become a LOT more fun.  Of course, next week at this time, I may be cursing it
again! (Seems I go through 'phases' with these sims <G>)

another patch before getting CPR. >>

My recommendation would be this:  if you're going to race the AI mostly, buy
F1RS.  If you're going to go online and race other people, take your pick, with
CART perhaps having a slight edge.  F1RS has people racing on Kali (though I
can never find them online when *I* am) and CART uses the MS Internet ***
Zone, so you can often find people to race with there at any time.  Of course,
neither of these stand up against the low-latency heaven and 20 car grids of
NROS, but then that's NASCAR :).

Randy
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Randy BO

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Randy BO » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00

At least it has the virtue of being available in every store in the U.S.
Exactly when can we expect to see Ubisoft here?! (nonimport that is).

Randy
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Kevi

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Kevi » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00


>Mid-March for F1RS.  One thing I find strange (and I really need to ask
>the manager), is that I have never seen a copy of CPR in my local EB (is
>it always sold out?  or do they never stock it?).  While the Software
>Etc. just around the corner in the mall always has copies....

EB puts CPR with the rest of the Microsoft software, not with the games.  At
least they did at the one I went to.
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Michael E. Carve

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Michael E. Carve » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00


% >> Oh....most definitely.....rush out and buy it before they all disappear!!!<<

% At least it has the virtue of being available in every store in the U.S.
% Exactly when can we expect to see Ubisoft here?! (nonimport that is).

Mid-March for F1RS.  One thing I find strange (and I really need to ask
the manager), is that I have never seen a copy of CPR in my local EB (is
it always sold out?  or do they never stock it?).  While the Software
Etc. just around the corner in the mall always has copies....  

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Randy Magrud

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Randy Magrud » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00



>% >> Oh....most definitely.....rush out and buy it before they all disappear!!!<<

>% At least it has the virtue of being available in every store in the U.S.
>% Exactly when can we expect to see Ubisoft here?! (nonimport that is).

>Mid-March for F1RS.  One thing I find strange (and I really need to ask
>the manager), is that I have never seen a copy of CPR in my local EB (is
>it always sold out?  or do they never stock it?).  While the Software
>Etc. just around the corner in the mall always has copies....  

I'd heard it was selling well.

Randy
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John Walla

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by John Walla » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00


WE already have F1RS in Europe - when are we going to see CPR? (Non
unpatched demo that is) ;-)

CPR targets U.S., F1RS goes for Europe - makes sense, and not
something to hold against them IMO.

Cheers!
John

Randy BO

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Randy BO » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00

What I've seen is a timing error on the lap times as shown in the Pi telemetry
drop down combos, but within the game itself the times seem right.

Randy
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Staff Writer
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sli..

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by sli.. » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00

  Amazing!! So there is an advantage to living on the other side of
the world (New Zealand). Both CPR and F1RS have been available here
for over a month, although I haven't bought either as I don't have a
3D card (yet!).
  Pity we don't have the BGN track pack for N2 :((. Gave up waiting in
the end, and ordered it from Sierra - over a month ago!!
  Sorry about the sidetracking, but I was amazed to find yet another
advantage to living in this beautiful country.
  Thanks for all the assitance and great comments you have provided
over the years, John. Much appreciated.

        Rob.




>>>> Oh....most definitely.....rush out and buy it before they all disappear!!!<<

>>At least it has the virtue of being available in every store in the U.S.
>>Exactly when can we expect to see Ubisoft here?! (nonimport that is).

>WE already have F1RS in Europe - when are we going to see CPR? (Non
>unpatched demo that is) ;-)

>CPR targets U.S., F1RS goes for Europe - makes sense, and not
>something to hold against them IMO.

>Cheers!
>John

Marc J. Nelso

Is CPR worth it with the patch?

by Marc J. Nelso » Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Hi Randy,

I've heard talk of a timing error in CPR...Have you noticed this?  If
the error exists, it would mean all your lap times (and those of anyone
else playing CPR) would go straight out da' window.  =|

Cheers!

Marc


> >> With the patch, it is a marginal call. The AI is better, but is still VERY
> easy to beat on the ovals. >>

> Its actually fairly easy to beat anywhere if you spend some time hotlapping
> first.   I downloaded all of the 1997 results from SpeedCenter so I could work
> on beating each real-world Pole.  I managed to get a 1:33 in Australia, and
> once I grabbed the pole in qualifying, I won easily.  Ovals are just not worth
> it right now because of the speed limits.  At Nazareth I could go almost flat
> out on 2 of the 3 turns with a fairly loose setup, but the game limited me to
> 192 mph.  That put me off oval racing pretty fast.

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