> >we
> >have editors out there on the net (who release stuff for free!!!) that
have
> >done a better job to GP2 than what Crammond did.
> Have they ever written a racing sim?
Jon
> > but the bottom line is GP3 is not worth 4 years of effort, we
> > have editors out there on the net (who release stuff for free!!!)
> > that have done a better job to GP2 than what Crammond did.
> That's a curious statement. Without Crammond, there would have been no
> GP2!!
Jon
F1F: Well how about I present it to you this way. I have Formula Ford
experience, and the way I felt about GP3 was that the handling
characteristics are still not like what I am used to with an open wheeled
car.
JC: No. They're not accurate at all. [Chris and Tony shaking their heads]
Although I only see good in this..maybe I'm interpretting it wrong (they
could be disagreeing with JC), but if they are saying GP3 is not right then
I'm glad because it's not; if they can say that hopefully WSC will be more
on GPL's level instead of being like some of the EA games where they claim
greatness and fall short.
Jon
> >Does it matter. Hey if I got into an F2 he'd kick my arse. So what, this
is
> >PC Sim territory (and no matter how much GPL fanatics like to think
> >otherwise, they are worlds apart! and always will be). That being said,
I
> >can only state what is possible versus what he claims is not possible.
> >Controlled wheel spin is possible in GP3, maybe not with a hyperstim!
> >I remember when he came into this group advertising about hyperstim and
GP3
> >at melbourne GP, he got flamed off the board. Now he has a valued
opinion!
> That is not the point I'm making. What I'm pointing out is the
> comments by him and the West brothers that GP3 is not even close to
> how a F1 car handles. As the originator of this thread said, it spins
> out too easily for one thing. From their comments I would say F1 2000
> is probably closer to the real thing.
> --
> Nos
> >Perhaps you may like to read the interview again. That comment is from
Jon
> >Crooke from Hyperstim and not from the WestBros. So still dont want to
take
> >it back?
> Were they laughing?
Oh come on. First off they didn't do anything in joking there, they stated
their feelings...no laughs ater that statement or anything.
Do you want them to feed us the same line of BS we are gonna read in PC
magazines about 1998 GP2 modification?
"Oh I think GP3 is great because it's got the name Crammond on the box cuz
he's got a large ego that needs padding...the physics? Oh, like I said I
saw Crammond's name on the box so it's awesome."
Have you noticed he's the ONLY developer in this community who could give a
rat's --- about giving us a bone or interacting with the sim community...I
wonder why?
C'mon all we need is the truth when the sim developers want our money!
Jon
> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:20:13 -0500, "Jon Van Ginneken"
> >> >we
> >> >have editors out there on the net (who release stuff for free!!!) that
> >have
> >> >done a better job to GP2 than what Crammond did.
> >> Have they ever written a racing sim?
> >Sorry I was referring to GP3...he didn't write a racing sim in that he
> >modified one...
> BZZZT .. Mr. Crammond has written several racing sims.
> WTF are you talking about?
better?
This is not about his past this is about his present. We all have respect
for him, he was a PIONEER in the sim-racing category...just not anymore,
maybe he can have a comeback with his next version but it sounds more like
they'll just be rehash w/ new tracks and cars (boy I wonder if I could get
those on the net?).
And to your question, no but I never said they did a sim, where I goto
school the CSC majors really aren't sim racers (unless u consider MidMad or
NFS sims).
Jon
If they come through with their plans and Empire doesn't***them
over, it just mught be that.
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Nos
Here, here...at least they are trying to raise the bar. Don't shit on
these guys please. They need our support.
--
Nos
I know. I just wanted to make sure he didn't get the satisfaction of
doing it first. :-)
--
Nos
Well, it must be wheel specific then because I ahve tried every
setting possible and my brakes are waaaay too sensitive in GP3 still.
There is always a small amount of throttle when I'm not touching the
gas pedal too. I have recalibrated a zillion times and it is still the
same. I have never come across such a ***calibration routine since,
well, um, GP2. :-)
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Nos
> >Ummm, the west bros said they had only tried it with aids on. Without
the
> >aids they don't knwo what the simulation would do because they haven't
> >tried it yet. They shake their heads at JC comments taking what he says
as
> >truthful. Well, without setting up my controller I would have agreed,
> >afterwards I know he is wrong!
> Well, it must be wheel specific then because I ahve tried every
> setting possible and my brakes are waaaay too sensitive in GP3 still.
> There is always a small amount of throttle when I'm not touching the
> gas pedal too. I have recalibrated a zillion times and it is still the
> same. I have never come across such a ***calibration routine since,
> well, um, GP2. :-)
> --
> Nos
Considering I set it to run at that frame rate that is what one would
expect to get, no?***head.
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Nos
