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Mark, pissed off 'cause he couldn't watch Barrichello get pole,
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F1 is becoming a joke, When will BE realise that F1 won't survive on one TV
station broadcasting to France, Germany and Italy only.
It pisses me off that I couldnt watch the most 'Incidental' qualifying
session this season. It was probably a big fix to get subscribers : Bernie
forces many fans to miss out on exciting qualifying session in wet, people
panic, afraid they'll miss something else and subscirbe to Bernie TV!

I switched my TV on today expecting to see F1 cars, but I saw some woman
called Sunny Davies or something being forced to marry someone from the
Middle East - Or somethinhg! Wasn't paying attention, was glued to the
Autosport site.

Pathetic. F1 should be run by the fans, not some money hungry idiot.

I read rec.auto.sports.f1 occasionally, but don't post there. Nice of
you to drag this off-topic thread to somewhere I do post to!

Eek - has ITV dropped (or been told to drop) the live qualifying? I've
been living in Japan for the last year, and they've only shown the
Suzuka GP quals here, surprisingly enough (but I was there in person).
That's a total and utter *** if that's true.

Yup, it does really suck - I thought to begin with it was just me not
understanding the commentary, but we hardly ever see a decent in-car
shot and some of the direction really sucks - car threatening to
overtake? Lets switch to Schu/Hakk pulling away instead! I thought
most commercial organisations would give you a taster of what you
could get, rather than the F1 option of rubbing our noses in it.

Touring Cars is excellent, and has the "that's my car" appeal for the
masses. Bikes are great too, but the World Championships on satellite
and I don't think UK Superbikes are well promoted on the BBC.

Allegedly, it's still going up. However, this year there seems to have
been quite a European backlash against it. Will Malaysia (I'm going to
try to get a ticket for there) and US revive its fortunes?

I don't know about that. Simming on ovals is a real challenge, but
watching them is rather unsatisfying. About the only driver I can
cheer for is Franchitti (sp!), all the rest are either just names I've
vaguely heard at best. There's going to have to be a huge marketing
push to get the average punter involved, or they have to offer Hill a
huge wad...

Full-course yellows create artificial situations. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but Coulthard's and Irvine's maneouvres didn't come about
directly after the yellow, they'd have caught up eventually. Coulthard
got behind Irvine thanks to pitting under yellow anyway, and got a 10
second penalty for it.

Really?? Ace! Unbelievable! I'm back on-line to check out the
positions. I used to be a Coulthard fan, but he's been a big number
two for the last couple of seasons, so now Jackie represents my
Scottishness!

Ken

Keith,

Today was only just better than watching Michael Barrymore and a chimp
instead of qualifying for the Canadian GP two weeks ago!!! Personally, I'm
hoping Sky bid for F1 rights. If they do the same coverage for F1 as they do
for golf, superbikes, or even IRL, at least we will get to see every session
live and get all kinds of discussion/review shows etc, and maybe even some
in-car footage.

Marc Cooper

Bernie has squeezed the necks of the tv companies even further.

Today, I sat down to watch qualifying for the French GP. By all accounts, it
was a momentous session with Barrichello getting the first ever pole for
Stewart. Needless to say, We were unable to see this marvel. Why?
Because Bernie has decided on a whim that TV companies no longer have the
right to televise qualifying. I bet the teams sponsors were highly impressed
with this sudden down turn in exposure. You now need to subscribe to his 15
million a year cable roadshow in order to see it. Needless to say, there are
only officially 3 countries where this is possible at present.
This comes as a final straw to me. The bastard has already made sure that in
car shots are almost exclusively his, along with many cameras that are no
longer fed to the network stations.

Mr Ecclestone was in hospital this week undergoing heart surgery. I think
that they have removed it and replaced it with a bigger stone!

We now have a circus run by an idiot who makes rules by way of misguided
opinion and ignores the wishes of countless millions of people all over the
world. We now have a single person holding the main media outlet to the
world, to ransom. This of course doesn't even touch on his other monopolies.
Eccleshite has his pockets lined from almost every aspect of the sport from
tv rights down to who gets the contract to supply mobile shithouses at
Silverstone!!!!!

Net result.
We pay exorbitant prices for the cheapest tickets and have to queue from
dawn to dusk to stake a half decent claim on a piece of banking. We sit and
watch boring cars skitter around an emasculated track in the knowledge that
unless we have a Corporate box in front of the pits, we have more chance of
seeing the Loch Ness monster than a passing manoeuvre on track. In our
armchairs we now wonder how long it will be before Channel Ecclestone
finally pulls the plug on terrestrial tv and calls the shots as to how much
he will charge to bore us silly on a Sunday afternoon. Why the hell do we
put up with this?

My feeling is that we all hope that F1 will one day climb from the ashes and
rise like a Phoenix. Maybe we are clinging to it from a sense of loyalty,
trying to relive past glories. I'm sorry to say that from this day onwards,
I am officially declaring myself as an Ex F1 fan. These bastards will never
get another penny of mine to further line their corrupt pockets.I have a
feeling that one or two other people are starting to think along the same
lines. Shit happens, milk turns sour and F1 gets run by Bernie and Max.
Sorry facts of life.....

Mark

Dave

But anyway the show on the track is getting more boring each race.

Lets return to :

- No more refueling during race.

- No more wings on the cars.

- No more tyre changing during race.

- Back to "Iron" brake disks.

Most of the passing actions are now happening in the pits. My suggestions
could cure this.

I would like to add too :

- Wet races everywhere, so Alesi can get the ront row during qualifying,
like today at Magny-Cours :-)

Thierry Cailleteau.

Do I really want to get into this 'sport' anymore?

What chance have I racing the states?

Rob Swindells
4th in Goldline Bearing FFord Championship (12 Points);
8 points behined Championship Leader (as of round 3 of 6)

I think it's funny how Max Mosley keeps going on about how ~70% of the
TV audience for F1 is the casual Sunday viewer, and not the real F1
fans.
If so, why does he agree to let Bernie keep all the best stuff for
Digital TV? He stands to lose the biggest audience of F1 - those casual
fans who aren't interested enough to pay for the coverage.

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Afraid of wet conditions ? :-))

Thierry Cailleteau

Yeah, I read that in Autosport, too.  Good point.

Please excuse the following language:

Those who run F1 - shitheads the lot of them.  Just 'cause they've made their
millions (billions?) doesn't mean they've done the sport a service - it just
means they're fantastic manipulators. I mentioned in my original post about
F1 being more of a soap now.  Ever get hooked on a soap opera?  If you can
deliberately miss one or two episodes you're off it for good.  That's what
I'm gonna do with F1.  I'll watch the CART and the BTCC tomorrow, and spend
the time I would have vegitated in front of the idiot's lantern for the F1
with some quality time with my 6 week old daughter then have a bit of GPL.
Sound much more fun...

Mark
Reading, UK

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Haven't had a chance to try it yet! All my races have been dry. Sod's law.

Rob Swindells
4th in Goldline Bearing FFord Championship (12 Points);
8 points behined Championship Leader (as of round 3 of 6)

I hate to defend ITV here but I think you're missing the point. As I
understand things it would have made no difference if it was Sky, ITV,
BBC or whoever had the contract. It was Bernie's decision to cut the
broadcast _not_ ITV's.

ITV clearly believe they have a contract to show live qualifying as
they have said so from day one. I half remember an interview with Max
Mosely (at Silverstone last year ?) in which he said ITV were
contractually obliged to show live qualifying at all events except
one. Canada was a specific addition to the contract where live
coverage was not required.

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I live 30 miles from the site of the USGP and Tony George has done
exactly zero to promote it.  This is the mistake that others have made
since the 70s -- they have a "if we run it, they will come" attitude
in a market that's already coming near to being saturated, especially
with NASCAR marketing their events like soda pop...  It would be a
pretty sad thing if the USGP had better ratings thousands of miles
away than it does in it's own backyard.