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A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

Rick Baumhaue

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Rick Baumhaue » Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Personally, as a US viewer who got Speedvision in order to watch the F1
"circus" live, I'm thankful it's only costing about $3.50 a month.  One of
the great "happy accidents" of the whole situation is that I now get to see
a whole lot of motorcycle racing that I'd never seen before, and my eyes
have been opened.

I'm lukewarm on the various Superbike championships, but I flat-out LOVE the
125cc, 250cc, and (especially) the GP500 races.  I caught the 250 and 500
races from Barcelona, and the 125 from Mugello, over the last week, and the
racing was fantastic!  There's passing all over the place (the 125s were
*insane*), the venues are interesting (first time I'd seen Mugello), bikes
naturally have a lot more room to maneuver, and the most important factor of
all:  no downforce, with cornering speed entirely dependent on mechanical
grip.  As a GPL enthusiast, I've really come to the conclusion that
aerodynamic grip is the enemy of good racing, and there is NO danger of it
making its presence felt in motorcycle racing.

If you are a racing fan (I'm not a motorcycle enthusiast at all, and may
never be), you owe it to yourself to check out what's happening in cycle
racing these days - it really puts F1 to shame.

Rick

Philste

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Philste » Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> I agree.

> F1 is becoming a joke, When will BE realise that F1 won't survive on one TV
> station broadcasting to France, Germany and Italy only.
> It pisses me off that I couldnt watch the most 'Incidental' qualifying
> session this season. It was probably a big fix to get subscribers : Bernie
> forces many fans to miss out on exciting qualifying session in wet, people
> panic, afraid they'll miss something else and subscirbe to Bernie TV!

> I switched my TV on today expecting to see F1 cars, but I saw some woman
> called Sunny Davies or something being forced to marry someone from the
> Middle East - Or somethinhg! Wasn't paying attention, was glued to the
> Autosport site.

> Pathetic. F1 should be run by the fans, not some money hungry idiot.



> > Here in the UK, and according to www.autosport.com other European
> countries
> > too, F1 qualifying is no longer available unless you subscribe to Bernie's
> > digital TV network (not yet available in UK, I might add) and pay circa
> 10
> > per race (based on French prices).  The quality of coverage in the races
> has
> > also been compromised by big BE in order to encourage people to shell out.
> > With so many motorsports offering a better show, what's gonna happen?  Are
> > the sponsors who spend absolute fortunes at getting their brand names on
> the
> > sides of these machines going to be happy about the drastic audience
> > reduction?  I don't think so. I think BE has gone mad with his power. My
> hope
> > is that F1 in it's current guise dies (it's a soap opera, not a sport
> > anymore).  With -real- ovals being built in the UK and Germany, maybe CART
> > could become the premier motorsport division - sure it's not the technical
> > tour-de-force, but who gives a mokey's about that?  And those that claim
> full
> > course yellows make it a non sport - did you see Canada?  At least the
> cars
> > are still just that, cars.  F1 gets more like wipeout each year - less
> > contact with the road, more reliance on aero...

> > Mark, pissed off 'cause he couldn't watch Barrichello get pole,
> > Reading, UK

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Hmmm... I'm in Canada and I was able to see the qualifications for the
French Grand Prix at not extra charge on one of the regular cable
channels. I'm not sure what you all mean... I did hear something about
having to pay to see images from onboard cameras. That's something I
really miss: images from onboard cameras. In CART and NASCAR, you see
from that perspective quite a lot. Sure makes the show even more
interesting.

Philster

Bruce Kennewel

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Nice to meet a kindred spirit, Mark.
I've been preaching this for several years so it's satisfying to know that
others feel the same way.
F1 ceased to be a sport the minute it started to be manipulated to suit
television programming and advertising requirements.

We have seen the same thing happen here in Australia to the Touring Car
Campionship, where it is the television network, driven by the major
sponsor, who call the shots on how the series is structured, managed and
scheduled.  The TCC has become a woeful state of affairs compared to what it
used to be like 15 years ago..... sort "heat" races and the whole thing
stage managed to fit into a time slot between some crappy sitcom and the
five PM Sunday evening news!!

F1 has gone down a similar road and bears little resemblance to the sport it
was twenty years ago.


Bruce Kennewel

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Nicely stated, Mark.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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> We think along similar lines. I posted this elsewhere earlier on.....

> Bernie has squeezed the necks of the tv companies even further.

> Today, I sat down to watch qualifying for the French GP. By all accounts,
it
> was a momentous session with Barrichello getting the first ever pole for
> Stewart. Needless to say, We were unable to see this marvel. Why?
> Because Bernie has decided on a whim that TV companies no longer have the
> right to televise qualifying. I bet the teams sponsors were highly
impressed
> with this sudden down turn in exposure. You now need to subscribe to his
15
> million a year cable roadshow in order to see it. Needless to say, there
are
> only officially 3 countries where this is possible at present.
> This comes as a final straw to me. The bastard has already made sure that
in
> car shots are almost exclusively his, along with many cameras that are no
> longer fed to the network stations.

> Mr Ecclestone was in hospital this week undergoing heart surgery. I think
> that they have removed it and replaced it with a bigger stone!

> We now have a circus run by an idiot who makes rules by way of misguided
> opinion and ignores the wishes of countless millions of people all over
the
> world. We now have a single person holding the main media outlet to the
> world, to ransom. This of course doesn't even touch on his other
monopolies.
> Eccleshite has his pockets lined from almost every aspect of the sport
from
> tv rights down to who gets the contract to supply mobile shithouses at
> Silverstone!!!!!

> Net result.
> We pay exorbitant prices for the cheapest tickets and have to queue from
> dawn to dusk to stake a half decent claim on a piece of banking. We sit
and
> watch boring cars skitter around an emasculated track in the knowledge
that
> unless we have a Corporate box in front of the pits, we have more chance
of
> seeing the Loch Ness monster than a passing manoeuvre on track. In our
> armchairs we now wonder how long it will be before Channel Ecclestone
> finally pulls the plug on terrestrial tv and calls the shots as to how
much
> he will charge to bore us silly on a Sunday afternoon. Why the hell do we
> put up with this?

> My feeling is that we all hope that F1 will one day climb from the ashes
and
> rise like a Phoenix. Maybe we are clinging to it from a sense of loyalty,
> trying to relive past glories. I'm sorry to say that from this day
onwards,
> I am officially declaring myself as an Ex F1 fan. These bastards will
never
> get another penny of mine to further line their corrupt pockets.I have a
> feeling that one or two other people are starting to think along the same
> lines. Shit happens, milk turns sour and F1 gets run by Bernie and Max.
> Sorry facts of life.....

> Mark



> > Here in the UK, and according to www.autosport.com other European
> countries
> > too, F1 qualifying is no longer available unless you subscribe to
Bernie's
> > digital TV network (not yet available in UK, I might add) and pay circa
> 10
> > per race (based on French prices).  The quality of coverage in the races
> has
> > also been compromised by big BE in order to encourage people to shell
out.
> > With so many motorsports offering a better show, what's gonna happen?
Are
> > the sponsors who spend absolute fortunes at getting their brand names on
> the
> > sides of these machines going to be happy about the drastic audience
> > reduction?  I don't think so. I think BE has gone mad with his power. My
> hope
> > is that F1 in it's current guise dies (it's a soap opera, not a sport
> > anymore).  With -real- ovals being built in the UK and Germany, maybe
CART
> > could become the premier motorsport division - sure it's not the
technical
> > tour-de-force, but who gives a mokey's about that?  And those that claim
> full
> > course yellows make it a non sport - did you see Canada?  At least the
> cars
> > are still just that, cars.  F1 gets more like wipeout each year - less
> > contact with the road, more reliance on aero...

> > Mark, pissed off 'cause he couldn't watch Barrichello get pole,
> > Reading, UK

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

dweez

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by dweez » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi,

Being the kinda pessimistic person i am i can only say
Formula 1 is allready dead:((((
I was a huge fan for 15 years...but now i just watch out of habbit...
bernie and his partners allready killed it...only someone with a good
set of brain and a *true* love of the sport(and not just the $$$signs)
will be able to save it.
I'm getting drawn to indy more and more....they have safety...but they
havent turned into the complete rulebook wusses which seem to be
runnning F1 now.

with a big sigh i sign
dweezil


>Here in the UK, and according to www.autosport.com other European countries
>too, F1 qualifying is no longer available unless you subscribe to Bernie's
>digital TV network (not yet available in UK, I might add) and pay circa 10
>per race (based on French prices).  The quality of coverage in the races has
>also been compromised by big BE in order to encourage people to shell out.
>With so many motorsports offering a better show, what's gonna happen?  Are
>the sponsors who spend absolute fortunes at getting their brand names on the
>sides of these machines going to be happy about the drastic audience
>reduction?  I don't think so. I think BE has gone mad with his power. My hope
>is that F1 in it's current guise dies (it's a soap opera, not a sport
>anymore).  With -real- ovals being built in the UK and Germany, maybe CART
>could become the premier motorsport division - sure it's not the technical
>tour-de-force, but who gives a mokey's about that?  And those that claim full
>course yellows make it a non sport - did you see Canada?  At least the cars
>are still just that, cars.  F1 gets more like wipeout each year - less
>contact with the road, more reliance on aero...

>Mark, pissed off 'cause he couldn't watch Barrichello get pole,
>Reading, UK

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

buzar

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by buzar » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Tell you what! We here in the states will take Bernie and Max off you
hands and
turn control of racing here in the US to them.

But you have to take Tony George and let him do likewise!

buzard


> Here in the UK, and according to www.autosport.com other European countries
> too, F1 qualifying is no longer available unless you subscribe to Bernie's
> digital TV network (not yet available in UK, I might add) and pay circa 10
> per race (based on French prices).  The quality of coverage in the races has
> also been compromised by big BE in order to encourage people to shell out.
> With so many motorsports offering a better show, what's gonna happen?  Are
> the sponsors who spend absolute fortunes at getting their brand names on the
> sides of these machines going to be happy about the drastic audience
> reduction?  I don't think so. I think BE has gone mad with his power. My hope
> is that F1 in it's current guise dies (it's a soap opera, not a sport
> anymore).  With -real- ovals being built in the UK and Germany, maybe CART
> could become the premier motorsport division - sure it's not the technical
> tour-de-force, but who gives a mokey's about that?  And those that claim full
> course yellows make it a non sport - did you see Canada?  At least the cars
> are still just that, cars.  F1 gets more like wipeout each year - less
> contact with the road, more reliance on aero...

> Mark, pissed off 'cause he couldn't watch Barrichello get pole,
> Reading, UK

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

John Walla

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by John Walla » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:57:20 +0100, "Robin Lord"


>>Mr Ecclestone was in hospital this week undergoing heart surgery.
>Lets hope he suffers some *** complications.

That's a pretty shocking thing to say about anyone...

Cheers!
John

Michae

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Michae » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Absolutely - did you see the Dutch TT yesterday! Especially the 250, 5
riders dicing for the lead right up to the chequered flag - awesome:-)

- Michael

Bruce Kennewel

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:00:00

"Shocking", certainly.
"Hypocritical"....not at all! :o)


> On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:57:20 +0100, "Robin Lord"

> >>Mr Ecclestone was in hospital this week undergoing heart surgery.
> >Lets hope he suffers some *** complications.

> That's a pretty shocking thing to say about anyone...

> Cheers!
> John

Zonk

A bit OT, Will Bernie Kill F1?

by Zonk » Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:00:00


This whole thread really belongs in rasf1, quite clearly.

Incidentally, ITV have no such contract

Z.

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