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Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:01:50

It wasnt meant to be an analogy as such, I was mearly putting my argument
into a form in which it was easily digested by a wide audience, and in no
way should you feel im comparing any of this to racing, simply a way of
expressing what i mean quickly and simply, without being drawn into a debate
about what examples id used if i wrote my reasons in racing talk, which i
thought would be a bit long, hense the basic 3 elements of Art could be
linked to what i meant about racing in a shorter manner :)


> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:50:43 +0100, "David Powell"

> >Like an Artist, once you have learned to paint with your brush (the car)
to
> >the highest levels you can paint on any canvas (track). But learning to
use
> >your brush (car) and paints (setups) is the bit that matters,  the bit
that
> >is the hardest. The canvas doesnt matter but the use of brush and paints
> >does....

> I dunno.  I'm assuming you're a painter?  There is a significant
> difference in the difficulty between painting using different mediums
> and surfaces

> >Same for a guitar player, it takes 10years to learn to play a guitar like
> >Eric Clapton, but once you have, you can pickup any sheet of music
(track)
> >and play it like a master within minutes....

> EC is a bad comparison.  I love much of his music, but there's a
> reason he's called "slow hand" and it's not his technical mastery. =p

> Seriously, I know a ton of people who can play as well as EC.  Ask
> them to sit down and write something interesting, tho, and it all
> falls apart.

> I hate arguing this, I just think the artist-->racecar driver analogy
> is a bad one, even if Graham Hill is the person who coined it.  There
> is an element of creativity in racing, but there are also many more
> limitations imposed.  Most of the most influential artists/musicians
> in  history had little technical skill and huge imaginations but
> creativity in a racecar isn't going to change the ideal line around
> the track or the effectiveness of heel/toe braking.

> Jason

George Sandma

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by George Sandma » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:08:49

David there is nothing you can say that can ever take away that I have been
on of the Top Sim Racers in the world for over 6 years.

Over the years I have won Multiple championships and have set many world
records some stood  most were broken  no biggie.  that's Sim Racing!

So before you twist this next statement out of proportion I have never
clamed to be the best or the fastest, but It doesn't matter who I am racing
I will always be right there in the end. And I know inside that there is not
one world record I couldn't break if I
put the effort into it.

I quit running GPL over 2 years ago due to lack of time and no sim has
really grabbed my attention to want me to try to put any time into it
besides knitting is very time consuming you know.

Although I have ran some in Nascar 4,  minimal in Nascar 2002,  some F12001
and lately some F12002.  Why don't you come race some F12002?  I will put up
a server just for you your holiness. I will call it  and then you can show
me what you got. or is it only GPL that you can run?

David there is one big difference between you and I.  I don't go around
holier than thou telling people there slow.  Matter of fact I have NEVER
knocked any Sim Racer that was slower than me  (you could be the first <G>)
and many I have encouraged and helped to be better Sim Racers.
There are hundreds of racers that would have no problem at all racing wheel
to wheel
with me cause they know that I am very consistent and wont push some stupid
pass attempt or will if necessary give up the corner while trying to pass or
being passed.

David, I am generally a calm passive person but there is NO WAY IN HELL that
I am gonna sit back and watch you talk shit about people that I like and
respect!

David , you say I was fast once but got left behind?  Boy, I thought I just
recently ran Monaco in F12001 and am .008 off the world record.
http://the-best.m4driving.sm/php/track_show_table.php?track=monaco
I don't see your name on that list?  BTW  That doesnt mean that I am better
than anyone on that list by any means, not like you that anyone below your
name is SLOW!

You say "I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest
effort to be
honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or knitting...."

You cocky SOB! Come show me what you got in F12002 so we wont have to wait
for WRL,  I will put up a server just for your holyarse!

So with that said  I am going back to my knitting while I wait for you to
join my server if you dare!

George Sandman

David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1027526901.14262.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
> I'll be there George, I cant be arsed to read through your terade of shit
> either!

> You were fast once george but got left behind, id keep to the knitting
> mate...

> "Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped racing
> GPL
> over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.  You
are
> fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing over
> the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
would
> hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now"

> Lets not grasp at straws George, Ive not driven the much since early 2001,
> 3weeks hotlapping in Nov01 and 3weeks in May02...If i put in as much time
as
> McLean, Wintrip, my position would be far higher...well maybe ummm P5 not
> P10....<G> GPL died for me in March 01 after starting my up and down
affair
> in Nov99....Was hard to cacth all you "old" names that had been playing
for
> 6month previous as anyone who arrived late will inform you, an enjoyable
> game of catchup which i managed and others like have....I dont personally
> see if Kleman, Lake, Bolcina etc were still driving the situation would be
> much different, as theres only one limit, and i seem to be 0.3 off it at
all
> tracks, and it seems only 0.5% and under (not done the maths) are able to
> extend themselves to this level, maybe id be P20 again where i used to be
if
> these guys still raced, but then thats still a fair score....Im sure alot
of
> people would hope to be fast at sims after 3years but as ive said it seems
> theres only a very small % that have the package of talents to go all the
> way....

> > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn a
> track
> > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
6months
> > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not humans
> > players.."

> P.S whats funny about that? as your career changes you develop, I can now
> learn a trackin a handful of laps same as those around that i race, Wilke,
> McLean etc. Of course George you overlook the point that it takes 6months
to
> learn to drive this sim and the cars, it doesnt take long to learn a
track,
> its taken my 2 years to learn how to drive one of these cars to 7:48 at
> nurburgring, to learn the track itself prolly only took 10-15laps. The
rest
> of the time was teaching myself to get the most from the car, clearly
> confused in your statement.

> > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?  He
> > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try to be
> > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.  See we try to lift
while
> > shifting,  and Tom (MR. Realistic)   uses a clutch for every shift. He
> uses
> > right foot braking using the Heel and Toe technique while wearing a
> helmet,
> > gloves and driving shoes and strapped in with a full harness.  Try that
> and
> > we will see how fast you really are.  Tom wouldn't think of using a
small
> > diameter wheel or paddle shifters for a Nascar Sim. And the sound and
> > vibration simulated, Man you are not only deaf but you vibrate for the
> next
> > couple hours after getting out of his Simulator. and to top that off
his
> > Gas/Elect bill must be outrageous trying to keep it around 115 degrees
> > around his simulator (j/k about that one)

> Someone tell the guy this its a game!, i drive a hyperstim, but i can be
> injured sim racing or theres no point wearing a helmet LOL!

> "You must excuse Tom. You see he isn't going to run and post super
fantastic
> hotlaps because he drives the Sims as if they were real racecars and there
> is no way in hell that he is gonna resort to the style of driving that you
> use to run fastlaps"

> I doubt he would anyways from what ive heard! Plus GPL offers no Clutch,
no
> ablilty to chew the gears and no need to rev between changes, as soon as
> theres a sim with this function ill do just what i do in my road motor,
hell
> and toe in the sim, until its actually serves a function this is
> pointless....Nascar maybe, but then on an oval without the clutch assist
on
> you hardly need to change anyways! and only 4 gears, try heel and toe T1
at
> zandy in the BRM and try no to loose 0.9secs to the guys im racing against
> using one foot on each, i dont do this is GPL as its completely no
> functional. If hope RL offers this option it wont make a single bit of
> difference to the top10 sheet from GPL imo but there you go, greger will
be
> the best, and learn to Heel and Toe in 10mins etc....

> "Now, as for running the track backwards.  I watched at Sears point (when
> Tom
> had set up his Simulator in the Drivers Lounge) as a line formed of NASA
> race drivers wanting to sit in the Sim and run Sears Point backwards, and
> all I remember hearing was WOW!"

> So what? it doesnt make a piss of difference to your average sim racer,
the
> track isnt his devil, the car and learning to drive a simulation is the
> gateway to his laptimes.....

> "So you go on and keep knocking Tom for trying to help us with some info
> from
> real racing experiences. David, if you don't like his suggestions then
don't
> try them, but please let other drivers make up their own minds if they
want
> to try them.  Do you really think it wastes alot of time running a few
laps
> backwards on a track?  Even I can find time in a limited schedule to run a
> few laps backwards if I so choose"

> I dont dislike his suggestions, I just know as a once slow driver learning
> tracks this makes f'all difference to anyone in sim racing, Toms just
> wasting peoples time witht he type of useless clap trap he always seems
> to....

> "So David, If you are up to the challange, I will see you (if you dare, no
6
> months this time) on the track the day WRL comes out and we will see who
> learns the track faster! :-O"

> I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest effort to
be
> honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or knitting....

> David

> George Sandman <gsandmannos...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:ujsnqsd7honmb2@corp.supernews.com...
> > Mr. David Powell,

> > Excuse me while I ROFLMAO.  ok, I will try to get this out before I bust
a
> > gut.

> > Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped racing
> GPL
> > over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.  You
> are
> > fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing
over
> > the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
> would
> > hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now.

> > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn a
> track
> > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
6months
> > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not humans
> > players.."

> > 6 months offline? (hmmm dont know how to indicate a very confused look
:-)
> > The Top Drivers in GPL that I know were on the track the day they got
GPL
> > and were not causing any problems for human players.

> > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?  He
> > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try to be
> > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.

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David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:34:00

I dont drive F12002 sorry, i did 300laps when i got the game, 10.9 at magny
cour and 32.9 at suzuka, about 100laps at each, to be fair if didnt grab me,
I played for 7days and its been in retirement since.....

Guess youll be waiting for RL.

Also I only attacked you as you attacked me....

Attacking Tom is part of life here George, as he speaks his mood, speaks
alot of complete bullshit, regularly trolls this newsgroup with ego inflated
clap trap, when i see Tom verging on this I like to "play him" at his own
game.

He has a string history of this, also sometimes what he says is useful but
mainly its convulted with poor personal judgement and always in the "IM THE
FU77ING KING, IM TOM PABST, YOU LISTEN TO ME" stance, kinda like my own
posts sometimes, but i save those for special occasions :)

But Id think carefully before jumping on the Pabst bandwagon as youll be the
laughing stock over at VROC thesedays where just about 90% of the population
think hes a complete moron, and after past events here, rightly so...

Just type Tom Pabst Troll, Arsehole, Twat, Cunt etc into gogglegroups search
engine, youll have some interesting reading......very lengthy though, and
boring....

Id just pick your sides more carefully in future......

David

George Sandman <gsandmannos...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

news:ujv1upj5dl0mef@corp.supernews.com...
> David there is nothing you can say that can ever take away that I have
been
> on of the Top Sim Racers in the world for over 6 years.

> Over the years I have won Multiple championships and have set many world
> records some stood  most were broken  no biggie.  that's Sim Racing!

> So before you twist this next statement out of proportion I have never
> clamed to be the best or the fastest, but It doesn't matter who I am
racing
> I will always be right there in the end. And I know inside that there is
not
> one world record I couldn't break if I
> put the effort into it.

> I quit running GPL over 2 years ago due to lack of time and no sim has
> really grabbed my attention to want me to try to put any time into it
> besides knitting is very time consuming you know.

> Although I have ran some in Nascar 4,  minimal in Nascar 2002,  some
F12001
> and lately some F12002.  Why don't you come race some F12002?  I will put
up
> a server just for you your holiness. I will call it  and then you can show
> me what you got. or is it only GPL that you can run?

> David there is one big difference between you and I.  I don't go around
> holier than thou telling people there slow.  Matter of fact I have NEVER
> knocked any Sim Racer that was slower than me  (you could be the first
<G>)
> and many I have encouraged and helped to be better Sim Racers.
> There are hundreds of racers that would have no problem at all racing
wheel
> to wheel
> with me cause they know that I am very consistent and wont push some
stupid
> pass attempt or will if necessary give up the corner while trying to pass
or
> being passed.

> David, I am generally a calm passive person but there is NO WAY IN HELL
that
> I am gonna sit back and watch you talk shit about people that I like and
> respect!

> David , you say I was fast once but got left behind?  Boy, I thought I
just
> recently ran Monaco in F12001 and am .008 off the world record.
> http://the-best.m4driving.sm/php/track_show_table.php?track=monaco
> I don't see your name on that list?  BTW  That doesnt mean that I am
better
> than anyone on that list by any means, not like you that anyone below your
> name is SLOW!

> You say "I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest
> effort to be
> honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or knitting...."

> You cocky SOB! Come show me what you got in F12002 so we wont have to wait
> for WRL,  I will put up a server just for your holyarse!

> So with that said  I am going back to my knitting while I wait for you to
> join my server if you dare!

> George Sandman

> David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1027526901.14262.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
> > I'll be there George, I cant be arsed to read through your terade of
shit
> > either!

> > You were fast once george but got left behind, id keep to the knitting
> > mate...

> > "Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped
racing
> > GPL
> > over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.  You
> are
> > fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing
over
> > the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
> would
> > hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now"

> > Lets not grasp at straws George, Ive not driven the much since early
2001,
> > 3weeks hotlapping in Nov01 and 3weeks in May02...If i put in as much
time
> as
> > McLean, Wintrip, my position would be far higher...well maybe ummm P5
not
> > P10....<G> GPL died for me in March 01 after starting my up and down
> affair
> > in Nov99....Was hard to cacth all you "old" names that had been playing
> for
> > 6month previous as anyone who arrived late will inform you, an enjoyable
> > game of catchup which i managed and others like have....I dont
personally
> > see if Kleman, Lake, Bolcina etc were still driving the situation would
be
> > much different, as theres only one limit, and i seem to be 0.3 off it at
> all
> > tracks, and it seems only 0.5% and under (not done the maths) are able
to
> > extend themselves to this level, maybe id be P20 again where i used to
be
> if
> > these guys still raced, but then thats still a fair score....Im sure
alot
> of
> > people would hope to be fast at sims after 3years but as ive said it
seems
> > theres only a very small % that have the package of talents to go all
the
> > way....

> > > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn a
> > track
> > > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
> 6months
> > > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not
humans
> > > players.."

> > P.S whats funny about that? as your career changes you develop, I can
now
> > learn a trackin a handful of laps same as those around that i race,
Wilke,
> > McLean etc. Of course George you overlook the point that it takes
6months
> to
> > learn to drive this sim and the cars, it doesnt take long to learn a
> track,
> > its taken my 2 years to learn how to drive one of these cars to 7:48 at
> > nurburgring, to learn the track itself prolly only took 10-15laps. The
> rest
> > of the time was teaching myself to get the most from the car, clearly
> > confused in your statement.

> > > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?
He
> > > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try to
be
> > > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.  See we try to lift
> while
> > > shifting,  and Tom (MR. Realistic)   uses a clutch for every shift. He
> > uses
> > > right foot braking using the Heel and Toe technique while wearing a
> > helmet,
> > > gloves and driving shoes and strapped in with a full harness.  Try
that
> > and
> > > we will see how fast you really are.  Tom wouldn't think of using a
> small
> > > diameter wheel or paddle shifters for a Nascar Sim. And the sound and
> > > vibration simulated, Man you are not only deaf but you vibrate for the
> > next
> > > couple hours after getting out of his Simulator. and to top that off
> his
> > > Gas/Elect bill must be outrageous trying to keep it around 115 degrees
> > > around his simulator (j/k about that one)

> > Someone tell the guy this its a game!, i drive a hyperstim, but i can be
> > injured sim racing or theres no point wearing a helmet LOL!

> > "You must excuse Tom. You see he isn't going to run and post super
> fantastic
> > hotlaps because he drives the Sims as if they were real racecars and
there
> > is no way in hell that he is gonna resort to the style of driving that
you
> > use to run fastlaps"

> > I doubt he would anyways from what ive heard! Plus GPL offers no Clutch,
> no
> > ablilty to chew the gears and no need to rev between changes, as soon as
> > theres a sim with this function ill do just what i do in my road motor,
> hell
> > and toe in the sim, until its actually serves a function this is
> > pointless....Nascar maybe, but then on an oval without the clutch assist
> on
> > you hardly need to change anyways! and only 4 gears, try heel and toe T1
> at
> > zandy in the BRM and try no to loose 0.9secs to the guys im racing
against
> > using one foot on each, i dont do this is GPL as its completely no
> > functional. If hope RL offers this option it wont make a single bit of
> > difference to the top10 sheet from GPL imo but there you go, greger will
> be
> > the best, and learn to Heel and Toe in 10mins etc....

> > "Now, as for running the track backwards.  I watched at Sears point
(when
> > Tom
> > had set up his Simulator in the Drivers Lounge) as a line formed of NASA
> > race drivers wanting to sit in the Sim and run Sears Point backwards,
and
> > all I remember hearing was WOW!"

> > So what? it doesnt make a piss of difference to your average sim racer,
> the
> > track isnt his devil, the car and learning to drive a simulation is the
> > gateway to his laptimes.....

> > "So you go on and keep knocking Tom for trying to help us with some info
> > from
> > real racing experiences. David, if you don't like his suggestions then
> don't
> > try them, but please let other drivers make up their own minds if they
> want
> > to try them.  Do you really think it wastes alot of time running a few
> laps
> > backwards on a track?  Even I can find time in a limited schedule to run
a
> > few laps backwards if I so choose"

> > I dont dislike his suggestions, I just know as a once slow driver
learning
> > tracks this makes f'all difference to anyone in sim racing, Toms just
> > wasting peoples time witht

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David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:46:14

P.S I thinking searching for idiot provides the best fruit....

David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1027603921.89656.0@doris.uk.clara.net...
> I dont drive F12002 sorry, i did 300laps when i got the game, 10.9 at
magny
> cour and 32.9 at suzuka, about 100laps at each, to be fair if didnt grab
me,
> I played for 7days and its been in retirement since.....

> Guess youll be waiting for RL.

> Also I only attacked you as you attacked me....

> Attacking Tom is part of life here George, as he speaks his mood, speaks
> alot of complete bullshit, regularly trolls this newsgroup with ego
inflated
> clap trap, when i see Tom verging on this I like to "play him" at his own
> game.

> He has a string history of this, also sometimes what he says is useful but
> mainly its convulted with poor personal judgement and always in the "IM
THE
> FU77ING KING, IM TOM PABST, YOU LISTEN TO ME" stance, kinda like my own
> posts sometimes, but i save those for special occasions :)

> But Id think carefully before jumping on the Pabst bandwagon as youll be
the
> laughing stock over at VROC thesedays where just about 90% of the
population
> think hes a complete moron, and after past events here, rightly so...

> Just type Tom Pabst Troll, Arsehole, Twat, Cunt etc into gogglegroups
search
> engine, youll have some interesting reading......very lengthy though, and
> boring....

> Id just pick your sides more carefully in future......

> David

> George Sandman <gsandmannos...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:ujv1upj5dl0mef@corp.supernews.com...
> > David there is nothing you can say that can ever take away that I have
> been
> > on of the Top Sim Racers in the world for over 6 years.

> > Over the years I have won Multiple championships and have set many world
> > records some stood  most were broken  no biggie.  that's Sim Racing!

> > So before you twist this next statement out of proportion I have never
> > clamed to be the best or the fastest, but It doesn't matter who I am
> racing
> > I will always be right there in the end. And I know inside that there is
> not
> > one world record I couldn't break if I
> > put the effort into it.

> > I quit running GPL over 2 years ago due to lack of time and no sim has
> > really grabbed my attention to want me to try to put any time into it
> > besides knitting is very time consuming you know.

> > Although I have ran some in Nascar 4,  minimal in Nascar 2002,  some
> F12001
> > and lately some F12002.  Why don't you come race some F12002?  I will
put
> up
> > a server just for you your holiness. I will call it  and then you can
show
> > me what you got. or is it only GPL that you can run?

> > David there is one big difference between you and I.  I don't go around
> > holier than thou telling people there slow.  Matter of fact I have NEVER
> > knocked any Sim Racer that was slower than me  (you could be the first
> <G>)
> > and many I have encouraged and helped to be better Sim Racers.
> > There are hundreds of racers that would have no problem at all racing
> wheel
> > to wheel
> > with me cause they know that I am very consistent and wont push some
> stupid
> > pass attempt or will if necessary give up the corner while trying to
pass
> or
> > being passed.

> > David, I am generally a calm passive person but there is NO WAY IN HELL
> that
> > I am gonna sit back and watch you talk shit about people that I like and
> > respect!

> > David , you say I was fast once but got left behind?  Boy, I thought I
> just
> > recently ran Monaco in F12001 and am .008 off the world record.
> > http://the-best.m4driving.sm/php/track_show_table.php?track=monaco
> > I don't see your name on that list?  BTW  That doesnt mean that I am
> better
> > than anyone on that list by any means, not like you that anyone below
your
> > name is SLOW!

> > You say "I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest
> > effort to be
> > honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or
knitting...."

> > You cocky SOB! Come show me what you got in F12002 so we wont have to
wait
> > for WRL,  I will put up a server just for your holyarse!

> > So with that said  I am going back to my knitting while I wait for you
to
> > join my server if you dare!

> > George Sandman

> > David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1027526901.14262.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
> > > I'll be there George, I cant be arsed to read through your terade of
> shit
> > > either!

> > > You were fast once george but got left behind, id keep to the knitting
> > > mate...

> > > "Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped
> racing
> > > GPL
> > > over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.
You
> > are
> > > fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing
> over
> > > the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
> > would
> > > hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now"

> > > Lets not grasp at straws George, Ive not driven the much since early
> 2001,
> > > 3weeks hotlapping in Nov01 and 3weeks in May02...If i put in as much
> time
> > as
> > > McLean, Wintrip, my position would be far higher...well maybe ummm P5
> not
> > > P10....<G> GPL died for me in March 01 after starting my up and down
> > affair
> > > in Nov99....Was hard to cacth all you "old" names that had been
playing
> > for
> > > 6month previous as anyone who arrived late will inform you, an
enjoyable
> > > game of catchup which i managed and others like have....I dont
> personally
> > > see if Kleman, Lake, Bolcina etc were still driving the situation
would
> be
> > > much different, as theres only one limit, and i seem to be 0.3 off it
at
> > all
> > > tracks, and it seems only 0.5% and under (not done the maths) are able
> to
> > > extend themselves to this level, maybe id be P20 again where i used to
> be
> > if
> > > these guys still raced, but then thats still a fair score....Im sure
> alot
> > of
> > > people would hope to be fast at sims after 3years but as ive said it
> seems
> > > theres only a very small % that have the package of talents to go all
> the
> > > way....

> > > > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn
a
> > > track
> > > > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
> > 6months
> > > > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not
> humans
> > > > players.."

> > > P.S whats funny about that? as your career changes you develop, I can
> now
> > > learn a trackin a handful of laps same as those around that i race,
> Wilke,
> > > McLean etc. Of course George you overlook the point that it takes
> 6months
> > to
> > > learn to drive this sim and the cars, it doesnt take long to learn a
> > track,
> > > its taken my 2 years to learn how to drive one of these cars to 7:48
at
> > > nurburgring, to learn the track itself prolly only took 10-15laps. The
> > rest
> > > of the time was teaching myself to get the most from the car, clearly
> > > confused in your statement.

> > > > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?
> He
> > > > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try
to
> be
> > > > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.  See we try to lift
> > while
> > > > shifting,  and Tom (MR. Realistic)   uses a clutch for every shift.
He
> > > uses
> > > > right foot braking using the Heel and Toe technique while wearing a
> > > helmet,
> > > > gloves and driving shoes and strapped in with a full harness.  Try
> that
> > > and
> > > > we will see how fast you really are.  Tom wouldn't think of using a
> > small
> > > > diameter wheel or paddle shifters for a Nascar Sim. And the sound
and
> > > > vibration simulated, Man you are not only deaf but you vibrate for
the
> > > next
> > > > couple hours after getting out of his Simulator. and to top that off
> > his
> > > > Gas/Elect bill must be outrageous trying to keep it around 115
degrees
> > > > around his simulator (j/k about that one)

> > > Someone tell the guy this its a game!, i drive a hyperstim, but i can
be
> > > injured sim racing or theres no point wearing a helmet LOL!

> > > "You must excuse Tom. You see he isn't going to run and post super
> > fantastic
> > > hotlaps because he drives the Sims as if they were real racecars and
> there
> > > is no way in hell that he is gonna resort to the style of driving that
> you
> > > use to run fastlaps"

> > > I doubt he would anyways from what ive heard! Plus GPL offers no
Clutch,
> > no
> > > ablilty to chew the gears and no need to rev between changes, as soon
as
> > > theres a sim with this function ill do just what i do in my road
motor,
> > hell
> > > and toe in the sim, until its actually serves a function this is
> > > pointless....Nascar maybe, but then on an oval without the clutch
assist
> > on
> > > you hardly need to change anyways! and only 4 gears, try heel and toe
T1
> > at
> > > zandy in the BRM and try no to loose 0.9secs to the guys im racing
> against
> > > using one foot on each, i dont do this is GPL as its completely no
> > > functional. If hope RL offers this option it wont make a single bit of
> > > difference to the top10 sheet from GPL imo but there you go, greger
will
> > be
> > > the best, and learn to Heel and Toe in 10mins etc....

> > > "Now, as for running the track backwards.  I watched at Sears point
> (when
> > > Tom
> > > had set up his Simulator in the Drivers Lounge) as a line formed of
NASA
> > > race drivers wanting to sit in the Sim and run Sears Point backwards,
> and
> > > all I remember hearing was WOW!"

> > > So what? it doesnt make a piss of difference to your average sim
racer,
> > the
> > > track isnt his devil, the car and learning to drive a simulation is
the
> > > gateway to his laptimes.....

...

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George Sandma

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by George Sandma » Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:12:54

Oh David  you are so full of Crap.  You say this after you see that I posted
faster times at the same tracks you just mentioned. and I did it without
having to use aids like you did.  Just face it.  Your chicken!

Still will have a server up thru most of this weekend if you dare to give it
a try!

Server will be named "for David Powells holyarse"

Later
George

David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1027603921.89656.0@doris.uk.clara.net...
> I dont drive F12002 sorry, i did 300laps when i got the game, 10.9 at
magny
> cour and 32.9 at suzuka, about 100laps at each, to be fair if didnt grab
me,
> I played for 7days and its been in retirement since.....

> Guess youll be waiting for RL.

> Also I only attacked you as you attacked me....

> Attacking Tom is part of life here George, as he speaks his mood, speaks
> alot of complete bullshit, regularly trolls this newsgroup with ego
inflated
> clap trap, when i see Tom verging on this I like to "play him" at his own
> game.

> He has a string history of this, also sometimes what he says is useful but
> mainly its convulted with poor personal judgement and always in the "IM
THE
> FU77ING KING, IM TOM PABST, YOU LISTEN TO ME" stance, kinda like my own
> posts sometimes, but i save those for special occasions :)

> But Id think carefully before jumping on the Pabst bandwagon as youll be
the
> laughing stock over at VROC thesedays where just about 90% of the
population
> think hes a complete moron, and after past events here, rightly so...

> Just type Tom Pabst Troll, Arsehole, Twat, Cunt etc into gogglegroups
search
> engine, youll have some interesting reading......very lengthy though, and
> boring....

> Id just pick your sides more carefully in future......

> David

> George Sandman <gsandmannos...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:ujv1upj5dl0mef@corp.supernews.com...
> > David there is nothing you can say that can ever take away that I have
> been
> > on of the Top Sim Racers in the world for over 6 years.

> > Over the years I have won Multiple championships and have set many world
> > records some stood  most were broken  no biggie.  that's Sim Racing!

> > So before you twist this next statement out of proportion I have never
> > clamed to be the best or the fastest, but It doesn't matter who I am
> racing
> > I will always be right there in the end. And I know inside that there is
> not
> > one world record I couldn't break if I
> > put the effort into it.

> > I quit running GPL over 2 years ago due to lack of time and no sim has
> > really grabbed my attention to want me to try to put any time into it
> > besides knitting is very time consuming you know.

> > Although I have ran some in Nascar 4,  minimal in Nascar 2002,  some
> F12001
> > and lately some F12002.  Why don't you come race some F12002?  I will
put
> up
> > a server just for you your holiness. I will call it  and then you can
show
> > me what you got. or is it only GPL that you can run?

> > David there is one big difference between you and I.  I don't go around
> > holier than thou telling people there slow.  Matter of fact I have NEVER
> > knocked any Sim Racer that was slower than me  (you could be the first
> <G>)
> > and many I have encouraged and helped to be better Sim Racers.
> > There are hundreds of racers that would have no problem at all racing
> wheel
> > to wheel
> > with me cause they know that I am very consistent and wont push some
> stupid
> > pass attempt or will if necessary give up the corner while trying to
pass
> or
> > being passed.

> > David, I am generally a calm passive person but there is NO WAY IN HELL
> that
> > I am gonna sit back and watch you talk shit about people that I like and
> > respect!

> > David , you say I was fast once but got left behind?  Boy, I thought I
> just
> > recently ran Monaco in F12001 and am .008 off the world record.
> > http://the-best.m4driving.sm/php/track_show_table.php?track=monaco
> > I don't see your name on that list?  BTW  That doesnt mean that I am
> better
> > than anyone on that list by any means, not like you that anyone below
your
> > name is SLOW!

> > You say "I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest
> > effort to be
> > honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or
knitting...."

> > You cocky SOB! Come show me what you got in F12002 so we wont have to
wait
> > for WRL,  I will put up a server just for your holyarse!

> > So with that said  I am going back to my knitting while I wait for you
to
> > join my server if you dare!

> > George Sandman

> > David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1027526901.14262.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
> > > I'll be there George, I cant be arsed to read through your terade of
> shit
> > > either!

> > > You were fast once george but got left behind, id keep to the knitting
> > > mate...

> > > "Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped
> racing
> > > GPL
> > > over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.
You
> > are
> > > fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing
> over
> > > the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
> > would
> > > hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now"

> > > Lets not grasp at straws George, Ive not driven the much since early
> 2001,
> > > 3weeks hotlapping in Nov01 and 3weeks in May02...If i put in as much
> time
> > as
> > > McLean, Wintrip, my position would be far higher...well maybe ummm P5
> not
> > > P10....<G> GPL died for me in March 01 after starting my up and down
> > affair
> > > in Nov99....Was hard to cacth all you "old" names that had been
playing
> > for
> > > 6month previous as anyone who arrived late will inform you, an
enjoyable
> > > game of catchup which i managed and others like have....I dont
> personally
> > > see if Kleman, Lake, Bolcina etc were still driving the situation
would
> be
> > > much different, as theres only one limit, and i seem to be 0.3 off it
at
> > all
> > > tracks, and it seems only 0.5% and under (not done the maths) are able
> to
> > > extend themselves to this level, maybe id be P20 again where i used to
> be
> > if
> > > these guys still raced, but then thats still a fair score....Im sure
> alot
> > of
> > > people would hope to be fast at sims after 3years but as ive said it
> seems
> > > theres only a very small % that have the package of talents to go all
> the
> > > way....

> > > > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn
a
> > > track
> > > > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
> > 6months
> > > > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not
> humans
> > > > players.."

> > > P.S whats funny about that? as your career changes you develop, I can
> now
> > > learn a trackin a handful of laps same as those around that i race,
> Wilke,
> > > McLean etc. Of course George you overlook the point that it takes
> 6months
> > to
> > > learn to drive this sim and the cars, it doesnt take long to learn a
> > track,
> > > its taken my 2 years to learn how to drive one of these cars to 7:48
at
> > > nurburgring, to learn the track itself prolly only took 10-15laps. The
> > rest
> > > of the time was teaching myself to get the most from the car, clearly
> > > confused in your statement.

> > > > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?
> He
> > > > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try
to
> be
> > > > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.  See we try to lift
> > while
> > > > shifting,  and Tom (MR. Realistic)   uses a clutch for every shift.
He
> > > uses
> > > > right foot braking using the Heel and Toe technique while wearing a
> > > helmet,
> > > > gloves and driving shoes and strapped in with a full harness.  Try
> that
> > > and
> > > > we will see how fast you really are.  Tom wouldn't think of using a
> > small
> > > > diameter wheel or paddle shifters for a Nascar Sim. And the sound
and
> > > > vibration simulated, Man you are not only deaf but you vibrate for
the
> > > next
> > > > couple hours after getting out of his Simulator. and to top that off
> > his
> > > > Gas/Elect bill must be outrageous trying to keep it around 115
degrees
> > > > around his simulator (j/k about that one)

> > > Someone tell the guy this its a game!, i drive a hyperstim, but i can
be
> > > injured sim racing or theres no point wearing a helmet LOL!

> > > "You must excuse Tom. You see he isn't going to run and post super
> > fantastic
> > > hotlaps because he drives the Sims as if they were real racecars and
> there
> > > is no way in hell that he is gonna resort to the style of driving that
> you
> > > use to run fastlaps"

> > > I doubt he would anyways from what ive heard! Plus GPL offers no
Clutch,
> > no
> > > ablilty to chew the gears and no need to rev between changes, as soon
as
> > > theres a sim with this function ill do just what i do in my road
motor,
> > hell
> > > and toe in the sim, until its actually serves a function this is
> > > pointless....Nascar maybe, but then on an oval without the clutch
assist
> > on
> > > you hardly need to change anyways! and only 4 gears, try heel and toe
T1
> > at
> > > zandy in the BRM and try no to loose 0.9secs to the guys im racing
> against
> > > using one foot on each, i dont do this is GPL as its completely no
> > > functional. If hope RL offers this option it wont make a single bit of
> > > difference to the top10 sheet from GPL imo but there you go, greger
will
> > be
> > > the best, and learn to Heel and Toe in 10mins etc....

> > > "Now, as for running the track backwards.  I watched at Sears point
> (when
> > > Tom
> > > had set up his Simulator in the Drivers Lounge) as a line formed of
NASA
> > > race drivers wanting to sit in

...

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George Sandma

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by George Sandma » Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:14:39

300 laps?   I have 39 laps at Magny cours  and 60 at Interlagos  sorry didnt
run Suzuka  but will if you like me to do it to that one too. :-)

George

David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1027603921.89656.0@doris.uk.clara.net...
> I dont drive F12002 sorry, i did 300laps when i got the game, 10.9 at
magny
> cour and 32.9 at suzuka, about 100laps at each, to be fair if didnt grab
me,
> I played for 7days and its been in retirement since.....

> Guess youll be waiting for RL.

> Also I only attacked you as you attacked me....

> Attacking Tom is part of life here George, as he speaks his mood, speaks
> alot of complete bullshit, regularly trolls this newsgroup with ego
inflated
> clap trap, when i see Tom verging on this I like to "play him" at his own
> game.

> He has a string history of this, also sometimes what he says is useful but
> mainly its convulted with poor personal judgement and always in the "IM
THE
> FU77ING KING, IM TOM PABST, YOU LISTEN TO ME" stance, kinda like my own
> posts sometimes, but i save those for special occasions :)

> But Id think carefully before jumping on the Pabst bandwagon as youll be
the
> laughing stock over at VROC thesedays where just about 90% of the
population
> think hes a complete moron, and after past events here, rightly so...

> Just type Tom Pabst Troll, Arsehole, Twat, Cunt etc into gogglegroups
search
> engine, youll have some interesting reading......very lengthy though, and
> boring....

> Id just pick your sides more carefully in future......

> David

> George Sandman <gsandmannos...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:ujv1upj5dl0mef@corp.supernews.com...
> > David there is nothing you can say that can ever take away that I have
> been
> > on of the Top Sim Racers in the world for over 6 years.

> > Over the years I have won Multiple championships and have set many world
> > records some stood  most were broken  no biggie.  that's Sim Racing!

> > So before you twist this next statement out of proportion I have never
> > clamed to be the best or the fastest, but It doesn't matter who I am
> racing
> > I will always be right there in the end. And I know inside that there is
> not
> > one world record I couldn't break if I
> > put the effort into it.

> > I quit running GPL over 2 years ago due to lack of time and no sim has
> > really grabbed my attention to want me to try to put any time into it
> > besides knitting is very time consuming you know.

> > Although I have ran some in Nascar 4,  minimal in Nascar 2002,  some
> F12001
> > and lately some F12002.  Why don't you come race some F12002?  I will
put
> up
> > a server just for you your holiness. I will call it  and then you can
show
> > me what you got. or is it only GPL that you can run?

> > David there is one big difference between you and I.  I don't go around
> > holier than thou telling people there slow.  Matter of fact I have NEVER
> > knocked any Sim Racer that was slower than me  (you could be the first
> <G>)
> > and many I have encouraged and helped to be better Sim Racers.
> > There are hundreds of racers that would have no problem at all racing
> wheel
> > to wheel
> > with me cause they know that I am very consistent and wont push some
> stupid
> > pass attempt or will if necessary give up the corner while trying to
pass
> or
> > being passed.

> > David, I am generally a calm passive person but there is NO WAY IN HELL
> that
> > I am gonna sit back and watch you talk shit about people that I like and
> > respect!

> > David , you say I was fast once but got left behind?  Boy, I thought I
> just
> > recently ran Monaco in F12001 and am .008 off the world record.
> > http://the-best.m4driving.sm/php/track_show_table.php?track=monaco
> > I don't see your name on that list?  BTW  That doesnt mean that I am
> better
> > than anyone on that list by any means, not like you that anyone below
your
> > name is SLOW!

> > You say "I dont think kicking your arse thesedays will be the slightest
> > effort to be
> > honest george, id stick to writing long pointless emails or
knitting...."

> > You cocky SOB! Come show me what you got in F12002 so we wont have to
wait
> > for WRL,  I will put up a server just for your holyarse!

> > So with that said  I am going back to my knitting while I wait for you
to
> > join my server if you dare!

> > George Sandman

> > David Powell <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1027526901.14262.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
> > > I'll be there George, I cant be arsed to read through your terade of
> shit
> > > either!

> > > You were fast once george but got left behind, id keep to the knitting
> > > mate...

> > > "Top .05% of all GPLer's?  If you consider the people that stopped
> racing
> > > GPL
> > > over the last few years that percentage would increase drastically.
You
> > are
> > > fast now as it seems you have been putting in some serious Sim Racing
> over
> > > the years, BUT I do remember when you were at the back of the pack! I
> > would
> > > hope after running the Sim so long that you would be fast by now"

> > > Lets not grasp at straws George, Ive not driven the much since early
> 2001,
> > > 3weeks hotlapping in Nov01 and 3weeks in May02...If i put in as much
> time
> > as
> > > McLean, Wintrip, my position would be far higher...well maybe ummm P5
> not
> > > P10....<G> GPL died for me in March 01 after starting my up and down
> > affair
> > > in Nov99....Was hard to cacth all you "old" names that had been
playing
> > for
> > > 6month previous as anyone who arrived late will inform you, an
enjoyable
> > > game of catchup which i managed and others like have....I dont
> personally
> > > see if Kleman, Lake, Bolcina etc were still driving the situation
would
> be
> > > much different, as theres only one limit, and i seem to be 0.3 off it
at
> > all
> > > tracks, and it seems only 0.5% and under (not done the maths) are able
> to
> > > extend themselves to this level, maybe id be P20 again where i used to
> be
> > if
> > > these guys still raced, but then thats still a fair score....Im sure
> alot
> > of
> > > people would hope to be fast at sims after 3years but as ive said it
> seems
> > > theres only a very small % that have the package of talents to go all
> the
> > > way....

> > > > And funniest thing of all.  You said" Only takes me 10laps to learn
a
> > > track
> > > > anyway"  hehehe  is this the same guy that said  "i played GPL for
> > 6months
> > > > offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not
> humans
> > > > players.."

> > > P.S whats funny about that? as your career changes you develop, I can
> now
> > > learn a trackin a handful of laps same as those around that i race,
> Wilke,
> > > McLean etc. Of course George you overlook the point that it takes
> 6months
> > to
> > > learn to drive this sim and the cars, it doesnt take long to learn a
> > track,
> > > its taken my 2 years to learn how to drive one of these cars to 7:48
at
> > > nurburgring, to learn the track itself prolly only took 10-15laps. The
> > rest
> > > of the time was teaching myself to get the most from the car, clearly
> > > confused in your statement.

> > > > You must be very confused... or, is it that you are jealous of Tom?
> He
> > > > happens to be the most Hard Core Realistic Sim Racer I know! I try
to
> be
> > > > very realistic but don't even come close to Tom.  See we try to lift
> > while
> > > > shifting,  and Tom (MR. Realistic)   uses a clutch for every shift.
He
> > > uses
> > > > right foot braking using the Heel and Toe technique while wearing a
> > > helmet,
> > > > gloves and driving shoes and strapped in with a full harness.  Try
> that
> > > and
> > > > we will see how fast you really are.  Tom wouldn't think of using a
> > small
> > > > diameter wheel or paddle shifters for a Nascar Sim. And the sound
and
> > > > vibration simulated, Man you are not only deaf but you vibrate for
the
> > > next
> > > > couple hours after getting out of his Simulator. and to top that off
> > his
> > > > Gas/Elect bill must be outrageous trying to keep it around 115
degrees
> > > > around his simulator (j/k about that one)

> > > Someone tell the guy this its a game!, i drive a hyperstim, but i can
be
> > > injured sim racing or theres no point wearing a helmet LOL!

> > > "You must excuse Tom. You see he isn't going to run and post super
> > fantastic
> > > hotlaps because he drives the Sims as if they were real racecars and
> there
> > > is no way in hell that he is gonna resort to the style of driving that
> you
> > > use to run fastlaps"

> > > I doubt he would anyways from what ive heard! Plus GPL offers no
Clutch,
> > no
> > > ablilty to chew the gears and no need to rev between changes, as soon
as
> > > theres a sim with this function ill do just what i do in my road
motor,
> > hell
> > > and toe in the sim, until its actually serves a function this is
> > > pointless....Nascar maybe, but then on an oval without the clutch
assist
> > on
> > > you hardly need to change anyways! and only 4 gears, try heel and toe
T1
> > at
> > > zandy in the BRM and try no to loose 0.9secs to the guys im racing
> against
> > > using one foot on each, i dont do this is GPL as its completely no
> > > functional. If hope RL offers this option it wont make a single bit of
> > > difference to the top10 sheet from GPL imo but there you go, greger
will
> > be
> > > the best, and learn to Heel and Toe in 10mins etc....

> > > "Now, as for running the track backwards.  I watched at Sears point
> (when
> > > Tom
> > > had set up his Simulator in the Drivers Lounge) as a line formed of
NASA
> > > race drivers wanting to sit in the Sim and run Sears Point backwards,
> and
> > > all I remember hearing was WOW!"

> > > So what? it doesnt make a piss of difference to your average sim
racer,
> > the
> > > track isnt his devil, the car

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Tom Pabs

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:24:42

Lol.....I won't.  Darn....would like to, though!

TP



> > Thanks, Goy.  I like it when you stand up for me!  -:)

> Yeah, well, don't get used to it....:-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 04:36:34

"Oh David  you are so full of Crap.  You say this after you see that I
posted
faster times at the same tracks you just mentioned. and I did it without
having to use aids like you did.  Just face it.  Your chicken!"

George your imagining things now....

As i said i have a lap for suzuka and thats the one track i tried and got
near the limit on in my week for F12002...the magny was poor, and the brazil
lap well :) slow....

P.S, your dribbling....i havent seen or saw any of your laps on EA when i
was last there 2months ago....maybe 6weeks....only person i recognised was
DonDuham, Tridon and Luke Mclean....and JD...

Its all in your head mate....

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:29:21

P.S after checking seems your lap at france is faster, shame I have a 10.5,
i did use IVR aid though :) id go back and find another 0.8 mate...seems
most of my GPL commerades are low 10's or 9's, thats where to be....

If you roll the mouse over the name youll get the upload date...*hint*....

Anyway go and beat my 20th June Suzuka lap, im sure that will make you feel
better, as thats the only lap ive tried for so far.....im sure if i go and
find some better setups ill drop another 0.8 or so :o)



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