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Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

Jan Verschuere

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:06:12

No joke... how would you run the track clockwise with the car specifically
setup to go anti-clockwise?

Jan./ perhaps if I remain serious, nobody will notice I put my foot in it.
;-)
=---

Dave Henri

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Dave Henri » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:00:34


  This is RAS.  You have to ask???
dave henrie

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:37:56

by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a forwards
reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this time
you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have a far
more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
backwards....nothing nothing at all....

David


> Duh!

> Would somebody really have tried this?

> TP



> >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will take
> > notice.

> > dh



> > > Guys.....

> > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
"tool"
> > you
> > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> backwards!

> > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
direction.
> > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run backwards
> > (and
> > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> valuable
> > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> because
> > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
in
> > all
> > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> times
> > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
come
> > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> online
> > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > TP

Mar

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Mar » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:59:07


> by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a forwards
> reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this time
> you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have a far
> more beneficial effect on forward lap times....
> I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> backwards....nothing nothing at all....

Maybe you should give it a try before dissing it, it's not like it
costs anything and it *might* work.  I can totally see where Tom's
coming from.

I'm gonna try it once I get my rig up and running again because I am
getting nowhere fast at Sears and will try anything once...

Mark
Reading, UK

Tom Pabs

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:23:34

David...

As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who doesn't
include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in the
forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than a
track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it probably
won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

Regards,

Tom


> by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a forwards
> reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this
time
> you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have a
far
> more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> David



> > Duh!

> > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > TP



> > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will take
> > > notice.

> > > dh



> > > > Guys.....

> > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> "tool"
> > > you
> > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > backwards!

> > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> direction.
> > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's not
> > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
backwards
> > > (and
> > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > valuable
> > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > because
> > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the track
> in
> > > all
> > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards lap
> > times
> > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> come
> > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > online
> > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > TP

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:23:33

Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just off
another dribbling session....

If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be spent
learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

David


> David...

> As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who doesn't
> include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in the
> forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than a
> track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it probably
> won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> Regards,

> Tom



> > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
forwards
> > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this
> time
> > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have a
> far
> > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > David



> > > Duh!

> > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > TP



> > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will
take
> > > > notice.

> > > > dh



> > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's a
> > "tool"
> > > > you
> > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > backwards!

> > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > direction.
> > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
not
> > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> backwards
> > > > (and
> > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > valuable
> > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the track
> > > because
> > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
track
> > in
> > > > all
> > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
lap
> > > times
> > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start to
> > come
> > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for an
> > > online
> > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > TP

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:26:55

Only takes me 10laps to learn a track anyway, why waste time that driving
backwards! LOL

I can only assume this pointless excercise helps old slow pokes like Tom
become involved with the track....


> Try it.......then answer your own question.

> TP



> > Tom, no offense but that is rediculous. How can driving the track
> backwards
> > improve your time when you drive it fowards? The only way to improve you
> lap
> > times is to practice. If you can't learn the track properly nothing will
> > help you...

Joe Marque

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Joe Marque » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:59:39

Congratulations on being able to disprove theories without actual testing.
Science has been waiting for you for centuries.  You've finally chosen to
walk amongst mere mortals, bless you.

Why do you chose to be such a condescending ass about this issue?  Do you
think your self proclaimed GPL expertise allows you to dismiss a theory as
nonsense without trying it?  Hell, even if you do try it and it serves no
purpose for you, that means nothing.  Who gives a shit?  If the activity
still serves as a valuable tool for others who gives a shit if you think
it's a waste of time?  Are you trying to prevent some dangerous ***ion to
reverse driving?

This issue is really NOT debatable.  The original post was about giving
drivers another suggestion on how to drive more effectively.  If it works
for even a few people then it has value as a teaching aid.  The true essence
of great teaching is continually finding new ways to teach old concepts.
One size does not fit all, so that next "great" idea may be the one that
works for a particular type of learner.  Is it your purpose to stop this
type of creative thinking?

There really is no purpose in being so closed-minded.  You don't win a prize
if you prove your way of training has a broader audience.  It truly doesn't
really matter what you think.

--
Joe Marques


> Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just off
> another dribbling session....

> If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
spent
> learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> David



> > David...

> > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who doesn't
> > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in
the
> > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than a
> > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it probably
> > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > Regards,

> > Tom



> > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> forwards
> > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this
> > time
> > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have
a
> > far
> > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > David

Tom Pabs

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:17:57

Being patient with you, David......is somewhat tedious.

TP


> Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just off
> another dribbling session....

> If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
spent
> learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> David



> > David...

> > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who doesn't
> > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in
the
> > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than a
> > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it probably
> > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > Regards,

> > Tom



> > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> forwards
> > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by this
> > time
> > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would have
a
> > far
> > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > David



> > > > Duh!

> > > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > > TP



> > > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will
> take
> > > > > notice.

> > > > > dh



> > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears Point....here's
a
> > > "tool"
> > > > > you
> > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run it
> > > > backwards!

> > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > direction.
> > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but that's
> not
> > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > backwards
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll gain
> > > > valuable
> > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
track
> > > > because
> > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> track
> > > in
> > > > > all
> > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your backwards
> lap
> > > > times
> > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later start
to
> > > come
> > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared for
an
> > > > online
> > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or so
> > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > TP

Scott B. Huste

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:17:32

Tom,

Explain to him your theory on how left foot braking is a waste of
coordination and can only distract your from steering the car.   <VBG>

</jk>

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc


> Being patient with you, David......is somewhat tedious.

> TP



> > Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> > laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> > Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just
off
> > another dribbling session....

> > If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> > As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
> spent
> > learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> > David



> > > David...

> > > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who
doesn't
> > > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in
> the
> > > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than
a
> > > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it
probably
> > > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > > Regards,

> > > Tom



> > > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> > forwards
> > > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by
this
> > > time
> > > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would
have
> a
> > > far
> > > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > > David



> > > > > Duh!

> > > > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > > > TP



> > > > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will
> > take
> > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > dh



> > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
Point....here's
> a
> > > > "tool"
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
it
> > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > direction.
> > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
that's
> > not
> > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > backwards
> > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
gain
> > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> track
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> > track
> > > > in
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
backwards
> > lap
> > > > > times
> > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
start
> to
> > > > come
> > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
for
> an
> > > > > online
> > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
so
> > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > TP

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:22:13

lol as is finding the patience to listen to the ***you spout with such
self authority....

In 20years of watching and attending motorsport events, Ive never seen,
heard of, or believe any driver has wasted time driving a track backwards to
aid there forwards laps....


> Being patient with you, David......is somewhat tedious.

> TP



> > Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> > laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> > Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just
off
> > another dribbling session....

> > If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> > As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
> spent
> > learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> > David



> > > David...

> > > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who
doesn't
> > > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in
> the
> > > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than
a
> > > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it
probably
> > > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > > Regards,

> > > Tom



> > > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> > forwards
> > > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by
this
> > > time
> > > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would
have
> a
> > > far
> > > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > > David



> > > > > Duh!

> > > > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > > > TP



> > > > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server will
> > take
> > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > dh



> > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
Point....here's
> a
> > > > "tool"
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
it
> > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > direction.
> > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
that's
> > not
> > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > backwards
> > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
gain
> > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> track
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for the
> > track
> > > > in
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
backwards
> > lap
> > > > > times
> > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
start
> to
> > > > come
> > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
for
> an
> > > > > online
> > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
so
> > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the track.

> > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > TP

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:23:40

Anyone who thinks that is surely beyond help....:) "is a waste of
coordination and can only distract your from steering the car" maybe a
problem for those without enough co-ord in the first place:)



> Tom,

> Explain to him your theory on how left foot braking is a waste of
> coordination and can only distract your from steering the car.   <VBG>

> </jk>

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc



> > Being patient with you, David......is somewhat tedious.

> > TP



> > > Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> > > laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> > > Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just
> off
> > > another dribbling session....

> > > If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> > > As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
> > spent
> > > learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> > > David



> > > > David...

> > > > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > > > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who
> doesn't
> > > > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > > > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen
in
> > the
> > > > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > > > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better
than
> a
> > > > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it
> probably
> > > > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Tom



> > > > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> > > forwards
> > > > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by
> this
> > > > time
> > > > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would
> have
> > a
> > > > far
> > > > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from
driving
> > > > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > > > David



> > > > > > Duh!

> > > > > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > > > > TP



> > > > > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server
will
> > > take
> > > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > > dh



> > > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
> Point....here's
> > a
> > > > > "tool"
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
> it
> > > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > > direction.
> > > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
> that's
> > > not
> > > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > > backwards
> > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
> gain
> > > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> > track
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for
the
> > > track
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
> backwards
> > > lap
> > > > > > times
> > > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
> start
> > to
> > > > > come
> > > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
> for
> > an
> > > > > > online
> > > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
> so
> > > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the
track.

> > > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > > TP

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:27:59

Maybe ive looked at this in the past? maybe i have driven backwards in some
desperate attempt to find the last 0.3 to greger, maybe i found it of no
help, and therefor believe tom is talking out of his arse.

A race track becomes a new track when its driven backwards, the only aid in
driving backwards would be gained by driving 30laps backwards before youve
ever driven the track forwards, you would them be advantaged in track
knowledge as if youd  think in reverse youd know where the corners where.
But as any *** can see, if you spent that time running forwards, youd have
30laps extra experience in the right direction which will improve your
laptimes.

David



David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:32:48

Maybe i have tried it in the sad past when i was slow and desperate, and
found it made F'all difference apart from making me good in reverse track
races.

This issue is debatable as Tom is talking bolox, therefor people shouldnt
waste there time following this poinltess tarade.

Tom has a history of spouting complete and utter claptrap and expecting
everyone to think hes right, generally hes wrong or trolling, glad its only
the former thats applicable in this case.

David


> Congratulations on being able to disprove theories without actual testing.
> Science has been waiting for you for centuries.  You've finally chosen to
> walk amongst mere mortals, bless you.

> Why do you chose to be such a condescending ass about this issue?  Do you
> think your self proclaimed GPL expertise allows you to dismiss a theory as
> nonsense without trying it?  Hell, even if you do try it and it serves no
> purpose for you, that means nothing.  Who gives a shit?  If the activity
> still serves as a valuable tool for others who gives a shit if you think
> it's a waste of time?  Are you trying to prevent some dangerous ***ion
to
> reverse driving?

> This issue is really NOT debatable.  The original post was about giving
> drivers another suggestion on how to drive more effectively.  If it works
> for even a few people then it has value as a teaching aid.  The true
essence
> of great teaching is continually finding new ways to teach old concepts.
> One size does not fit all, so that next "great" idea may be the one that
> works for a particular type of learner.  Is it your purpose to stop this
> type of creative thinking?

> There really is no purpose in being so closed-minded.  You don't win a
prize
> if you prove your way of training has a broader audience.  It truly
doesn't
> really matter what you think.

> --
> Joe Marques



> > Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> > laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> > Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just
off
> > another dribbling session....

> > If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> > As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
> spent
> > learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> > David



> > > David...

> > > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who
doesn't
> > > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen in
> the
> > > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better than
a
> > > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it
probably
> > > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > > Regards,

> > > Tom



> > > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> > forwards
> > > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by
this
> > > time
> > > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would
have
> a
> > > far
> > > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from driving
> > > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > > David

David Powel

Learning Sears Point for N2k2 - A Trick!

by David Powel » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:37:58

or even walked it backwards, maybe a few talentless old club racers like Tom
but noone in the highend needs this to do this....


> lol as is finding the patience to listen to the ***you spout with such
> self authority....

> In 20years of watching and attending motorsport events, Ive never seen,
> heard of, or believe any driver has wasted time driving a track backwards
to
> aid there forwards laps....



> > Being patient with you, David......is somewhat tedious.

> > TP



> > > Your full of ****, this wont make one single bit of difference to your
> > > laptimes....nothing in no areas in sim racing...

> > > Being in the top 0.05% of GPLers i can assure you of this...your just
> off
> > > another dribbling session....

> > > If doesnt seem logical Tom as its completely pointless....

> > > As i said, in the time it takes to drive the track backwards could be
> > spent
> > > learning it forwards which will help your laptimes....

> > > David



> > > > David...

> > > > As I said above, some things in racing are not logical....but they
> > > > nevertheless work.  Also....I don't know a real-world driver who
> doesn't
> > > > include at least once.....in a "track walk".....a walk in backwards
> > > > direction....particularly noting elevation changes he had not seen
in
> > the
> > > > forward walk.  Why is that do you think?  Could it be because unlike
> > > > us......he *CAN'T* run laps backwards.  We can....and its better
than
> a
> > > > track walk backwards.  If it doesn't seem logical to you....it
> probably
> > > > won't help you.  But, you should maybe give it a serious try first?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Tom



> > > > > by the time youd pissed about driving it backwards which IMO in a
> > > forwards
> > > > > reality makes no odds to forward track knowledge what so ever, by
> this
> > > > time
> > > > > you could have spent 2hrs extra learning it forwards which would
> have
> > a
> > > > far
> > > > > more beneficial effect on forward lap times....

> > > > > I really dont see what driving backwards teaches apart from
driving
> > > > > backwards....nothing nothing at all....

> > > > > David



> > > > > > Duh!

> > > > > > Would somebody really have tried this?

> > > > > > TP



> > > > > > >   I'll just quickly add, don't do this ONLINE or the server
will
> > > take
> > > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > > dh



> > > > > > > > Guys.....

> > > > > > > > If you are struggling to learn to race at Sears
> Point....here's
> > a
> > > > > "tool"
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > have as a sim racer that real-world drivers don't have:  Run
> it
> > > > > > backwards!

> > > > > > > > Go into a "Testing Session"....run the track in the opposite
> > > > > direction.
> > > > > > > > You'll need to use a stop watch for your lap times....but
> that's
> > > not
> > > > > > > > unreasonable.  Besides being a total blast of a track to run
> > > > backwards
> > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > a completely different track than it is forwards)....you'll
> gain
> > > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > > insight as to what the car wants.....at certain parts of the
> > track
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > of the elevation changes.  You'll have a better "feel" for
the
> > > track
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > places........and you'll have fun doing it.  Get your
> backwards
> > > lap
> > > > > > times
> > > > > > > > close to your forward lap times....and you find the later
> start
> > to
> > > > > come
> > > > > > > > crashing down.  When ever I'm trying to get myself prepared
> for
> > an
> > > > > > online
> > > > > > > > race at Sears....I always start with running a dozen laps or
> so
> > > > > > > > backwards......its perfect for getting my head into the
track.

> > > > > > > > By the way, this works great at Watkins Glen too.

> > > > > > > > Have fun....give it a try.

> > > > > > > > TP


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