rec.autos.simulators

by **McF** » Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:32:13

Why there's not a single sim of these two important series ?

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 00:11:39

Just guessing, but most likely because:

1. The popularity for these series in real life isn't there.

2. The IRL and/or CART jack around anyone who tries to develop one(main
reason IMO).

I wish a sim of these would come out too.

-John

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 00:20:46

There is an IRL sim in development. However, I don't know how far along
they are or who the developers are. But the reasoning by the IRL to shut
down John Bodin's IRL Heat mod for Nascar Heat was the commercial program
they have in the pipeline.
EA thru thier F1 2001 team(ISI) has signed some sort of deal with CART to
produce a sim based on the 2002 season of CART. The target date for that
project is late 2002 or early 2003.
dave henrie

by **McF** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:06:12

Good news!
It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of EA...

by **Mitch Alatorr** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 03:08:50

I don't know about that. From the looks of the NR2002 demo errr N4 patch
Papy has turned into EA :-)

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 03:16:10

Lol. And have to admit, EA did a great job with F1 2001. Not perfect,
none is, but a fantastic sim IMO.

-John

> I don't know about that. From the looks of the NR2002 demo errr N4 patch
> Papy has turned into EA :-)

> > Good news!
> > It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of EA...

by **Hal Raymo** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 07:30:16

If you think about it, the biggest complaint about F1 2001 was lack of
track accuracy, and that could very well be due to the fact that the
American development team was not that familiar with the tracks.
After all, F1 gets very little press over here. So if EA/ISI is a
little more familiar with American tracks, it is possible they will do
a much better job with a CART sim. The only other major complaint
AFAIK has been low speed traction/high speed downforce, and there is
certainly plenty of time to fix that. Okay I'm being an optimist, but
it is the holiday season after all. ;o)

"Haqsau"
from Google.com because Comcast is a pack of cretins who don't know
what usenet is.

> Lol. And have to admit, EA did a great job with F1 2001. Not perfect,
> none is, but a fantastic sim IMO.

> -John

> > I don't know about that. From the looks of the NR2002 demo errr N4 patch
> > Papy has turned into EA :-)

> > > Good news!
> > > It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of EA...

by **TRUSRS** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 07:33:50

CART SIM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:16:44

Good points.

-John

> If you think about it, the biggest complaint about F1 2001 was lack of
> track accuracy, and that could very well be due to the fact that the
> American development team was not that familiar with the tracks.
> After all, F1 gets very little press over here. So if EA/ISI is a
> little more familiar with American tracks, it is possible they will do
> a much better job with a CART sim. The only other major complaint
> AFAIK has been low speed traction/high speed downforce, and there is
> certainly plenty of time to fix that. Okay I'm being an optimist, but
> it is the holiday season after all. ;o)

> "Haqsau"
> from Google.com because Comcast is a pack of cretins who don't know
> what usenet is.

> > Lol. And have to admit, EA did a great job with F1 2001. Not perfect,
> > none is, but a fantastic sim IMO.

> > -John

> > > I don't know about that. From the looks of the NR2002 demo errr N4
patch
> > > Papy has turned into EA :-)

> > > > Good news!
> > > > It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of EA...

by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:34:51

writes:

>Good news!
>It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of EA...

>> There is an IRL sim in development. ....
>....
>> EA thru thier F1 2001 team(ISI) has signed some sort of deal with CART
>to
>> produce a sim based on the 2002 season of CART.

I dunno. I like Papy too, but I'd take a CART or IRL sim from EA. As long as
they fix their f'ked up controller config routine...<g>

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:34:51

writes:

Lawyers.

Eldred
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by **EeekOochOuchAh** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:28:20

There is a sim for the IRL.... It's called NASCAR 4. Except these tanks have
fenders. Oval racing is oval racing. Zzzzzz

by **Haqsa** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:02:24

Actually after driving F1 2001 some more I am no longer convinced that
there is a physics problem. It seems like most of the complaints people
have had about inaccurate speeds also coincide with most of the comments
people have made about lack of track accuracy. I think the real problem
is that many of the tracks have the camber of the road wrong in some
places. It doesn't take much of a difference in road camber to create a
fairly large difference in cornering speed. The reason I say this is
that if there were a physics model problem, then you should have
difficulty with all of the low speed corners, and you should be able to
take all of the high speed corners at much higher speeds than RL. But
this doesn't really seem to be the case to me. At the A-1 Ring for
example, I think the speeds I am getting are about right, from the RL
data that I have seen. If the physics model theory is correct, my
speeds should be way down through turns 1, 2, and 3, and although I will
admit to still having a problem with turn 3, turns 1 and 2 generally
come out about right.

OTOH if the bad physics model theory is correct this could probably be
fixed by something like the advanced options editor that was made for
SCGT. All the aero coefficients are stored in the vehicle .hdv files,
and I'm pretty sure that traction coefficients are stored in a text file
somewhere also. So someone (who knows a great deal more about F1 than I
do) could tune those values a little better, and that should
theoretically fix everything.

> Good points.

> -John

> > If you think about it, the biggest complaint about F1 2001 was lack
of
> > track accuracy, and that could very well be due to the fact that the
> > American development team was not that familiar with the tracks.
> > After all, F1 gets very little press over here. So if EA/ISI is a
> > little more familiar with American tracks, it is possible they will
do
> > a much better job with a CART sim. The only other major complaint
> > AFAIK has been low speed traction/high speed downforce, and there is
> > certainly plenty of time to fix that. Okay I'm being an optimist,
but
> > it is the holiday season after all. ;o)

> > "Haqsau"
> > from Google.com because Comcast is a pack of cretins who don't know
> > what usenet is.

> > > Lol. And have to admit, EA did a great job with F1 2001. Not
perfect,
> > > none is, but a fantastic sim IMO.

> > > -John

> > > > I don't know about that. From the looks of the NR2002 demo errr
N4
> patch
> > > > Papy has turned into EA :-)

> > > > > Good news!
> > > > > It would be VERY good news if they were Papyrus instead of
EA...

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