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Radeon 8500 Question

bertr

Radeon 8500 Question

by bertr » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:16:38

I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5),
and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700
when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE).

The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the
Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002.  My system is an Athlon 1700XP.

How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card
over the Voodoo5 in these sims?  I don't expect much of a boost in GPL,
since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out.
(BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror.  I
assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?)
F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of
pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37).

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Bert

Schoone

Radeon 8500 Question

by Schoone » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:29:52

"I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to
change my OS from Windows 98SE"
The 9700 will have Win98 drivers as per a statement from ATI.


bertr

Radeon 8500 Question

by bertr » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:42:48

Schooner,

Really?  I just checked their website, and it said WinME, WinXP and Win2000 --
nothing about Win98.  I hope you're right though.......

Thanks,
Bert


> "I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to
> change my OS from Windows 98SE"
> The 9700 will have Win98 drivers as per a statement from ATI.



> > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5),
> > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700
> > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE).

> > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the
> > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002.  My system is an Athlon 1700XP.

> > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card
> > over the Voodoo5 in these sims?  I don't expect much of a boost in GPL,
> > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out.
> > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror.  I
> > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?)
> > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of
> > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37).

> > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

> > Bert

Tim Mise

Radeon 8500 Question

by Tim Mise » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 08:42:04


The confusion about this has to do with the fact that Microsoft no longer
certifies drivers for Win98 as of July 1, 2002 which is why Win98 is not
listed but the WinMe drivers will work just fine for Win98 and Win95.  It
has nothing to do with ATI or the 9700.

-Tim

adsale

Radeon 8500 Question

by adsale » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 04:02:02


> I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5),
> and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700
> when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE).

> The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the
> Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002.  My system is an Athlon 1700XP.

> How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card
> over the Voodoo5 in these sims?  I don't expect much of a boost in GPL,
> since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out.
> (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror.  I
> assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?)
> F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of
> pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37).

> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap
myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else

It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of
benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and
the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up
from low to mid 2000's with a V5

I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from
running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to
1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS,
testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002
(no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there

It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from
www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the
drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

bertr

Radeon 8500 Question

by bertr » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:21:47

Thanks for that info, Goy.

How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon?

Bert



> > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5),
> > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700
> > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE).

> > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the
> > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002.  My system is an Athlon 1700XP.

> > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card
> > over the Voodoo5 in these sims?  I don't expect much of a boost in GPL,
> > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out.
> > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror.  I
> > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?)
> > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of
> > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37).

> > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

> See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap
> myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else

> It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of
> benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and
> the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up
> from low to mid 2000's with a V5

> I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from
> running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to
> 1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS,
> testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002
> (no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there

> It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from
> www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the
> drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

adsale

Radeon 8500 Question

by adsale » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:40:11


> Thanks for that info, Goy.

> How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon?

Hi Bert

Never removed the V5 drivers really, in this case I just switched over
to the "standard PCI card", rebooted to make sure, and hen powered down,
in with the R8500 and booted to W98 (lite), didn't use the drivers that
came with the card as I've had nothing but problems with Hercules drives
in the past, but used a set of drivers I found on www.rage3d.com (I
think), can't remember the version number and I'm not near that computer
right now I'm afraid

That computer is used solely for Sim racing though and has no other
software of any kind installed, not even a web browser or any AV
software, so YMMV as they say

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--


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