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Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

Michael Knephe

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Michael Knephe » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I didn't find it a particularly insightful review. The majority was
rehashed PR material with the occasional subjective statement. I'm
trying to figure out his logic on some of the final evaluations. For
Graphics, he said "great", with a footnote saying 3dfx graphics were
great and software rendering was horrible. For Control, however, he said
"good", with a footnote saying control was good with keyboard, but great
with joystick/wheel. ???????!!

> Games Alliance review http://www.racesimcentral.net/;rated
> it much better 75%, but still doesn't give the game justice.  From reading
> the review I get the distinct possibility that I have read most of this
> information else where. Eg. Game Features, staight from the Papy site.
> Finally a review that does take about the Multiplayer aspect.

> "Since the car reacts to the throttle   more than cars today it's easier to
> spin out. This was the case for me, as I spent 20  minutes simply spinning
> out, trying to get the hang of controlling the car."

> The main reason why this is happening to him.

> "Controlling the car using the keyboard takes times to get the hang of"

> "Since GPL only supports 3Dfx and Rendition 3D acceleration, users with
> other 3D cards will have to do with software rendering, which is
> unfortunately, crap. This of   course is only my opinion."

> What type of *** site would let someone review Games without a 3DFX
> card??????

> Ashley.

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Zonk

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Zonk » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>"Since GPL only supports 3Dfx and Rendition 3D acceleration, users with
>other 3D cards will have to do with software rendering, which is
>unfortunately, crap. This of   course is only my opinion."

How is this not true?

i think his comment says that software rendering in GPL is a joke, which we
all know it is. Good to see an OpenGl (beta) patch has immerged.

My read of the piece is that he was using hardware acceleration.

Z

meij

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by meij » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>Games Alliance review http://www.racesimcentral.net/;rated
>it much better 75%, but still doesn't give the game justice.  From reading
>the review I get the distinct possibility that I have read most of this
>information else where. Eg. Game Features, staight from the Papy site.
>Finally a review that does take about the Multiplayer aspect.

>"Since the car reacts to the throttle   more than cars today it's easier to
>spin out. This was the case for me, as I spent 20  minutes simply spinning
>out, trying to get the hang of controlling the car."

>The main reason why this is happening to him.

>"Controlling the car using the keyboard takes times to get the hang of"

>"Since GPL only supports 3Dfx and Rendition 3D acceleration, users with
>other 3D cards will have to do with software rendering, which is
>unfortunately, crap. This of   course is only my opinion."

>What type of *** site would let someone review Games without a 3DFX
>card??????  

I've had a fair bit of contact with GA and I know they wouldn't do this. He's
probably tested it under all modes available to him as any good reviewer
would. I've tried GPL in software even though I have 3dfx, just to see what
it's like.

M

Zonk

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Zonk » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00




>>"Since GPL only supports 3Dfx and Rendition 3D acceleration, users with
>>other 3D cards will have to do with software rendering, which is
>>unfortunately, crap. This of   course is only my opinion."

>>What type of *** site would let someone review Games without a 3DFX
>>card??????  

>I've had a fair bit of contact with GA and I know they wouldn't do this. He's
>probably tested it under all modes available to him as any good reviewer
>would. I've tried GPL in software even though I have 3dfx, just to see what
>it's like.

>M

M,

and i'm sure you think that the software rendering mode is.. er... Crap?

Z.

meij

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by meij » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00



>M,

>and i'm sure you think that the software rendering mode is.. er... Crap?

>Z.

Z,

I wouldn't say crap... just exactly what you'd expect.

M

Zonk

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Zonk » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00




>>M,

>>and i'm sure you think that the software rendering mode is.. er... Crap?

>>Z.

>Z,

>I wouldn't say crap... just exactly what you'd expect.

>M

I'm sure you've seen the Software mode in Shopgo, and must admit it's been
scaled very well to allow it to be playable- maybe not pretty;)

GPL software mode is simply unplayable, hence crap.

Z.

meij

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by meij » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00






>>>M,

>>>and i'm sure you think that the software rendering mode is.. er... Crap?

>>>Z.

>>Z,

>>I wouldn't say crap... just exactly what you'd expect.

>>M

>I'm sure you've seen the Software mode in Shopgo, and must admit it's been
>scaled very well to allow it to be playable- maybe not pretty;)

>GPL software mode is simply unplayable, hence crap.

>Z.

Shogo is indeed ugly but it's playable. GPL is just about playable too... just
not *as* playable.

M

Zonk

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Zonk » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:10:03 GMT,


>>"Since the car reacts to the throttle   more than cars today it's easier to
>>spin out. This was the case for me, as I spent 20  minutes simply spinning
>>out, trying to get the hang of controlling the car."

>>The main reason why this is happening to him.

>>"Controlling the car using the keyboard takes times to get the hang of"

Er, any particular reason while you left out the next part of that sentence?
becuase it dispproves your point?

", however using a wheel does make the driving experience easier, and a lot
more fun. "

Granted, he could have assumed this, though i suspect it's fairly safe to say
he raced this way.

Or the people who slag of reviews based on fairly selective quotes, or who
have not even read the damn thing?

Z.

Michael Knephe

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Michael Knephe » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00

The problem was that he based his "control" rating on how well he could
use the keyboard (with "great" for wheel/joystick in a footnote). He
could have at least been consistent with his "graphics" rating - either
both "good" with footnotes saying "great" for 3dfx/wheel/joystick, or
"great" for both with footnotes reading "good" for software/keyboard. Of
course, his "good" rating on software mode in the footnote doesn't
really seem to follow from his comments in the body of the review itself
where he stated it was "crap" - which is it?

I felt his review was mediocre, not because he only gave the game 75
percent, but because he was inconsistent in his ratings and didn't give
much justification for his conclusions. Just looking at his
point-by-point rundown of the game, one would have expected a somewhat
higher overall rating.



> >On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:10:03 GMT,


> >>"Since the car reacts to the throttle   more than cars today it's easier to
> >>spin out. This was the case for me, as I spent 20  minutes simply spinning
> >>out, trying to get the hang of controlling the car."

> >>The main reason why this is happening to him.

> >>"Controlling the car using the keyboard takes times to get the hang of"

> Er, any particular reason while you left out the next part of that sentence?
> becuase it dispproves your point?

> ", however using a wheel does make the driving experience easier, and a lot
> more fun. "

> Granted, he could have assumed this, though i suspect it's fairly safe to say
> he raced this way.

> >>"Since GPL only supports 3Dfx and Rendition 3D acceleration, users with
> >>other 3D cards will have to do with software rendering, which is
> >>unfortunately, crap. This of   course is only my opinion."

> >>What type of *** site would let someone review Games without a 3DFX
> >>card??????

> >>Ashley.

> >Or a joystick. Or a wheel. Unbelievable.....

> Or the people who slag of reviews based on fairly selective quotes, or who
> have not even read the damn thing?

> Z.

ymenar

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by ymenar » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Zonker wrote

What's Shopgo ? A Japanese grocery cart robot ? ;-)

Im able to get 20fps with everytying off... But of course, we all have
different opinions of what is ***;-)    . It's still the same racing
simulator for me.  Im probably that hard-core to say that even if it had the
Indy500:The Simulator graphics that would be enough for me ;-)

I would say, "unacceptable for the current stade of ***".

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Zonk

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Zonk » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>Path:
>Zonker wrote
>>I'm sure you've seen the Software mode in Shopgo, and must admit it's been
>>scaled very well to allow it to be playable- maybe not pretty;)

>What's Shopgo ? A Japanese grocery cart robot ? ;-)

Yup, take your MCA down to the local Supermarket and by Mr Sparkle!

Remember!

For lucky best wash! use Mr Sparkle!

Z.

Pierre Robitaill

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Pierre Robitaill » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> >Path:

> >Zonker wrote
> >>I'm sure you've seen the Software mode in Shopgo, and must admit it's been
> >>scaled very well to allow it to be playable- maybe not pretty;)

> >What's Shopgo ? A Japanese grocery cart robot ? ;-)

> Yup, take your MCA down to the local Supermarket and by Mr Sparkle!

> Remember!

> For lucky best wash! use Mr Sparkle!

LOL! I am disrespectful to dirt!
Jo

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Jo » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>"Controlling the car using the keyboard takes times to get the hang of"

ROF,LMAO! Web game reviews: the clueless leading the cluless. Present
company (i.e., Randy M.) excepted of course.

Joe

Randy Magrud

Games Alliance review of GPL slightly better than Avaults.

by Randy Magrud » Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>ROF,LMAO! Web game reviews: the clueless leading the cluless. Present
>company (i.e., Randy M.) excepted of course.

Thanks, man :)

Randy

Randy Magruder
http://members.home.com/rmagruder


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