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Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:14:42


>that we're letting MS get away with ***like this, one day I'm really
>going to seriously start learning Linux, honestly, and practice what I
>preach :-)

Lol :)
ok, enough silly principle discussion, let's get back to racing :)

Andre

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:25:44



> Well, no. So far I haven't heard one complaint from a visitor that
> he/she had problems with the site, and I get a lot of online bookings
> and positive reactions. That's the only thing that counts for me, we
> sell travels online and I need to score. No time to keep the site
> compatible with other browsers and therefore even have to skip a lot
> of nice thingies because they won't work in 'hardly used' browsers.

There was a time when that same argument was used when people using AMD
K5's were having joystick problems, "Intel has 95% of the market,***
you if you're using anything else", I don't think the same argument
would be valid today should it turn out that some programs had issues
with an AMD CPU

Just because people aren't complaining doesn't mean they're happy, it
doesn't mean that as soon as they found out they needed IE to book
travel on your site, they fired up IE, assuming they even had it
installed, and revisited your site, and if they didn't do it the first
time they visited your site, it's not like they will in the future
either, unless of course you're offering something that is so special
they can't get it anywhere else, but my Dutch is a bit rusty :-)

Same here, used Netscape exclusively from 95 to about a year ago, then
switched to IE, lately I've been using Opera more and more, 90% + of the
sites I visit work fine in Opera :-), I keep IE updated for those sites
that do, www.autosport.com being one of them, but if Nigel Roebuck moved
his column to another site, which I could read not using IE, I'd stop
visiting Autosport, there's little there I can't find somewhere else
which works with Opera

Yes, it's a bit of a hassle finding new sites that work with your choice
of browsers, but it's also an experience in itself, taking a detour off
of the beaten path ....:-)

What's a sheep worth in Nkr, or Euro ? :-)

I think you're wrong though, but IE will certainly be the most used
browser by far for quite some time, no question about that

Not for browsing, no, still use it for e-mail and news though, but I'll
be moving those to Opera soon I guess, just need to find the energy to
figure it out :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:43:00



> >that we're letting MS get away with ***like this, one day I'm really
> >going to seriously start learning Linux, honestly, and practice what I
> >preach :-)

> Lol :)
> ok, enough silly principle discussion, let's get back to racing :)

Fair enough

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 05:39:39

IE 5.01 & 6.0 pages work as designed.

Opera 6.01, some corruption ("image" appears in all the sections) of menus
and photo effects don't work, but site works as a whole.

Netscape 6.1 menus and photo effects don't work, period.

Mozilla.... don't ask.

There's a growing number of people using Linux. As they invariably use
either Netscape or Opera and are very vocal, it pays to at least give a nod
in their direction if only for your own piece of mind.

Of course no-one whishes for this situation, but it's a fact of life. I
attempt to be at least IE and Netscape compatible when making webpages and,
so far, have found that makes them "ok-ish" in Opera.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

G_Mon

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by G_Mon » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:25:07





<-snip->

I am using Opera 6.0.1 and do not seem to have a problem with
www.autosport.com.  This has become my main browser.

G_Money
GPLRank +69.64
Monster +931.85
...getting there...

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:18:33


> I am using Opera 6.0.1 and do not seem to have a problem with
> www.autosport.com.  This has become my main browser.

Thx G_M, I tried it again just now myself and it's now working as it
should, it used to crash Opera in an instant, one more reason to ditch
IE :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:26:01




> >Problem is, M$ does not follow the HTML standard.  IE is not
> >standards-compliant.  Which is why I don't use it.  >:-(

> I understand, but I surf a -lot- and so far I haven't found one site
> that doesn't work with IE.
> With Opera there are many sites having problems.

There's an explanation for how that has come to be too.  Everybody & his
brother has the M$ Office suite.  Guess what comes with it?  FrontPage.
Easy to make the non-standard HTML required for IE.  As such pressures,
along with OS integration, brought them to the fore in the browser wars,
more HTML editors then started generating the same non-standards
compliant code.  There is an association that creates the standards for
HTML, there site is http://www.w3.org in case you ever get bored.  :-)

I know.  But why help make things worse in this world?  I used to have
my own web site, I know exactly what you are up against.  Although I did
things the manly way, I coded with Notepad. :-)  It's not that much work
to make pages work with both.  There is a utility here
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/#tidy that may help you with such a quest.
I've never tried it myself but happened upon it as I snooped around
their site.  For UNIX users, there is the DeMoronizer.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/

You don't have to listen to me.  But this is what I do when I come
across a site that doesn't work with my browser: I don't come back & I
don't do business with the place.  Being just a personal website, it's
probably no big deal though.  

No hard feelings, just letting you know how "The Other Side" perceives
things like this.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
                                         from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:31:58



> >By only supporting "what IE can handle", you're letting Microsoft set
> >the standards for what you can and can not do with your sites, isn't
> >that a bit short sighted ?

> Well, no. So far I haven't heard one complaint from a visitor that
> he/she had problems with the site, and I get a lot of online bookings
> and positive reactions. That's the only thing that counts for me, we
> sell travels online and I need to score. No time to keep the site
> compatible with other browsers and therefore even have to skip a lot
> of nice thingies because they won't work in 'hardly used' browsers.

As a consumer, personally, I don't complain.  I just leave.  I wonder
how many others have done the same?

I bet it'll still be non-standards compliant as well.  No thanks.

You bet.  Nothing else.  Check my header. :-)

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
                                         from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:35:47


> You should make the first line of your HTML document a DOCTYPE
> declaration, for example, for a typical HTML 4.01 document:

>       <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>       <HTML>
>         <HEAD>
>           <TITLE>Title</TITLE>
>         </HEAD>

>         <BODY>
>           <-- ... body of document ... -->
>         </BODY>
>       </HTML>

For readability with various browsers, the above is a non-issue.  Has no
more impact than a Meta Tag.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
                                         from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:29:24

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:39:39 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"


>Of course no-one whishes for this situation, but it's a fact of life. I
>attempt to be at least IE and Netscape compatible when making webpages and,
>so far, have found that makes them "ok-ish" in Opera.

Right, thanks for the info Jan. And if I find the time I will try to
make them compatible with other browsers, I promise :)

Andre

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:30:17



>> I am using Opera 6.0.1 and do not seem to have a problem with
>> www.autosport.com.  This has become my main browser.

>Thx G_M, I tried it again just now myself and it's now working as it
>should, it used to crash Opera in an instant, one more reason to ditch
>IE :-)

Ah, but then you won't be able to see my great sites again :))

Andre

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:24:23



> > You should make the first line of your HTML document a DOCTYPE
> > declaration, for example, for a typical HTML 4.01 document:

> >       <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> >       <HTML>
> >         <HEAD>
> >           <TITLE>Title</TITLE>
> >         </HEAD>

> >         <BODY>
> >           <-- ... body of document ... -->
> >         </BODY>
> >       </HTML>

> For readability with various browsers, the above is a non-issue.  Has no
> more impact than a Meta Tag.

Ok, thx, told you I didn't know anything about this :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:24:52


> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:39:39 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"

> >Of course no-one whishes for this situation, but it's a fact of life. I
> >attempt to be at least IE and Netscape compatible when making webpages and,
> >so far, have found that makes them "ok-ish" in Opera.

> Right, thanks for the info Jan. And if I find the time I will try to
> make them compatible with other browsers, I promise :)

YAY !!!! :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:27:05




> >> I am using Opera 6.0.1 and do not seem to have a problem with
> >> www.autosport.com.  This has become my main browser.

> >Thx G_M, I tried it again just now myself and it's now working as it
> >should, it used to crash Opera in an instant, one more reason to ditch
> >IE :-)

> Ah, but then you won't be able to see my great sites again :))

Ah, but you have just promised to make an effort to make your sites
compatible with other browsers......:-)

Do you sell cheap tickets to the US or AUS Andre ?

If you do, I might be tempted to fire up IE one last time....:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:00:02


>Do you sell cheap tickets to the US or AUS Andre ?

A ticket to the US costs 1 sheep, AUS costs 2 sheep.
Just checked the site, USA will costs 287 Euro including 3-star hotel
for 4 days. Is that cheap or cheap :)

And if you mention my name at our agency at Schiphol Airport, you get
a free sticker too!

Andre


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