rec.autos.simulators

www.turkijeplus.nl:
- the flash menu loads, but as soon as it's loaded and should start
playing, it disappears again
- the menu works wrong
- All the menus have the word 'figure' in it.

www.slmc.nl:
-sometimes- the menu doesn't appear.
- All the menus have the word 'figure' in it.
-sometimes- the top frame is too small, making the menu only half
visible.

Check the sites in IE how they should look like..

Andre

Yes I know, we could argue that Opera ought to get in line with Netscape
and Microsoft, but they aren't in line either, after what 10 years ?, so
what we have now are 3 interpretations of JavaScripts......I'm just glad
I don't do web design for a living, I'd go nuts in no time flat

I don't know the first thing about HTML...:-), and even less about
design

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Notice the frustration in my voice, such a beautiful program but so
useless :-/

Andre

So you don't think that standards have a place in web development. Opera
is the only one of the main 3 players that actually meets them....

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You are demanding other browsers to do the same.  Shame on you.

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Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
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Just because 95% of the users visiting your site uses IE doesn't mean it
will always be like that you know, to me, as a potential customer, this
says "If they're not investing the effort to get my choice of browser,
one of the 3 major ones in this case, working correctly on their site,
they're not interested in my business...."

By letting IE set the standards for your site you're letting Microsoft
dictate the future standards of the Internet in my opinion, and no, I'm
not really anti MS, I'm just against letting one company dictate
everything, and by playing by their rules, we're letting them do just
that

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

So what should I do, ignore 90% of my visitors because they are not
using a standard html browser?

I don't like this situation either, and rebelling against micro$oft is
cool etc etc but it's a fact that most PC users use windows and IE as
default browser. Hey, it's not my choice, but it's reality :-/

Andre

There seems to be certain problems with your sites Andre, I'm no HTML
person so I can't really say if this affects the issue at hand though

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

I understand, but I surf a -lot- and so far I haven't found one site
that doesn't work with IE.
With Opera there are many sites having problems.

So what to choose.. a browser that follows the HTML standard or a
browser that actually works.. hmm..

I do not demand but I expect other browsers to be compatible with at
least most of the websites. Otherwise it's like having this beautiful
Ferrari 550 on the middle of an ocean.
Ok, I suck at these comparisons but you get my point :)

Andre

I asked a friend of mine about it earlier, and Adobe GoLive uses an
identifier to figure out what browser the visitor is using, then has the
website load the appropriate JavaScript.....or something like that, told
you I wasn't a web designer :-), with a bit of pressure from their
customers, I'm sure DreamWeaver could do the same

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

There lots of computers around this world which is not using IE, some
government agencies install Opera or Netscape for instance for security
reasons, not because they're all that much safer really, but since 99%
of the malicious code is targeted at IE/Outlook......

Well, in the end it's your choice of course, I just wish you didn't let
MS set the new standards for how the internet should be run in the
future, I'll get off my soap box now :-), it's just that it annoys me
that we're letting MS get away with ***like this, one day I'm really
going to seriously start learning Linux, honestly, and practice what I
preach :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

I was a devoted netscape user untill a certain time, 2 years ago I
think, when IE released a version (4 I think) that actually seemed to
work stable, while netscape got worse and worse.
I simply choose for a browser that works the best.
What browser are you using btw?

Point taken. But let's make a bet.
I bet a sheep that over three years IE is still the biggest browser in
the market, and Opera will either have become more compatible with
IE's standards, or will have died a quick death.

Anyone actually using Netscape lately?

Andre

This means that Dreamweaver also isn't using standard HTML is seems,
since simple Dreamweaver created sites are not valid too.

But my sites work with IE, most/all of my visitors use IE, so I'm
happy.

Andre

I respect your opinion Goy, but I have to deal with some reality and
lack of time here ;)

Andre

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You should make the first line of your HTML document a DOCTYPE
declaration, for example, for a typical HTML 4.01 document:

      <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
      <HTML>
        <HEAD>
          <TITLE>Title</TITLE>
        </HEAD>

        <BODY>
          <-- ... body of document ... -->
        </BODY>
      </HTML>
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I don't know if it would make a difference though, this is *way* out of
my league :-), as for MS site not being valid, that's a well known
issue, they actively blocked other browser at times, Opera gave MS a
hard time over that in the press a while back, probably got more
coverage over here because Opera is a Norwegian company :-), most sites
don't get a clean bill of health, that's to be expected really

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--