The whole point of a GUI is that you dont need to memorise keystrokes,
everything is truly 'intuitive' and does not require rote-learning of
commands to get functionality - common sense gets you there.
The only people that think that is a bad thing, are snobs.... funny how many
'nix users fall into that category.
KK
> >keystrokes??? *** that. I don't use a GUI so that I'm still reliant on
> >the keyboard for basic functionality.
> I read/filter through over a 1000 messages a day, it would take me at
> least twice as long to do that using a GUI over the great (optional)
> keyboard interface of Agent.
KK
To move this back closer to the relevence of the newsgroup you think a
driving game would be better controlled on track with a GUI?
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> >The whole point of a GUI is that you dont need to memorise keystrokes,
> Oh my god, it is so hard to remember N for next and I for ignore!
wheel... not that your analogy is even remotely relevant. who would use a
keyboard in a *simulation*?
KK
>> Okay, 'HOW' does it do what you like. In what way or method.
>> Either come up with something valid and substantial, rather
>> than meaningless rhetoric, or admit you only use it because
>> you like the way it looks.
>Ok, I'll play along. I like the ability to configure multiple servers.
I see no benefit in that at all. In fact, it seems less efficient.
Basically, you like the way it looks.
That supports my point. You think other programs are too difficult,
confusing.
Where is my, "OE=moron at the keyboard" statement? Please do not
misquote what others say. I haven't done that to you.
Agent is the best at containing attachments and protecting against attacks.
And, Forte Agent users are far from 'the weirdo minority'. That sounds like
the 'OE=moron at the keyboard' statement you made up.
Indicating a snip. What an experienced thing to do.
Using the word 'stigma' is too strong but what I'm saying is warranted
and very 'true'.
Do you realize your tendency to ramble? I'm not trying to be mean but
it's very time consuming and distracting.
I would love to see Microsoft turn OE into a truly intelligent and intuitive
newsreader rather something remedial and borderline childish but, until
they do, Agent will remain far superior. Certain software is simply better.
Forte Inc. specializes in the making of newsreader software and that is
very apparent to the experienced usenet member.
>> Your reasoning is you like to use a mouse?
>No my reasoning is that if I would like the program to select the next
>message I read instead of scanning the headers and double clicking the one I
>*want* to read, I don't want to have to look up or know a keyboard command.
So using your mouse and scroll bar is more efficient than the arrow keys
and page up/down? Oh that's right, you would have to 'remember' the
arrow and page up/down keys!
Intuitive also means the program is smart and 'knows' what you want and
how to provide such with efficiency; 'intuitively'.
They most certainly are. Program specific key commands are just as
intuitive as OS-wide commands. It's the same principle, logic, and benefit.
OS key commands 'as a standard' impacts a broad range of programs but
that in no way makes program specific commands any less intuitive.
Good grief!, how about some brevity. I didn't read all of this so let me
know if there was a relevant point in there somewhere.
I'll be brief: you don't like OE and consider those who do lesser mortals. I
say this is falacy. You don't want to accept that, so I am perfectly happy
to allow you to continue feeling superior. Enjoy, it's on me.
Jan.
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Because *you* can't think of a reason, does not mean there isn't one.
Pfffft... talk about trying to put words into someone's mouth. He prefers
the interface... it's a subjective choice - your opinion is just that, and
NOT fact.
What rubbish. Clearly, he prefers a more unified approach to the way the
programs are used to simplify the use of each of them. How is that a bad
thing???
You all but implied it. At least have the balls to stand behind what you
clearly meant.
I find only a very small minority care one way or the other. Like the PC vs
Mac argument, it is largely a matter of personal preference and almost
entirely subjective. What difference should it make to you what someone else
chooses to use? In fact, what concern is it of yours? People that force
their opinion on others are just preachers, and noone likes preachers.
Cue thinly veiled insult. Pathetic really.
Why don't you admit it? You really just prefer the way Forte looks?
KK
I guess it's not supposed to be easy. <g>
Seriously, thanks for the effort, but I don't think we're getting through.
Jan.
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You can kick, scream, and stomp your feet all you want but OE is inferior
as a newsreader program. The more experienced usenet user is net-
savvy enough to realize this and hence uses another program like Forte
Agent. You use it because you like the way it looks but you shouldn't
whine when someone tells you it's inferior. Whether you like it or not,
they're just telling you the truth.
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:10:50 GMT, "Jan Verschueren"
>I'll be brief: you don't like OE and consider those who do lesser mortals. I
>say this is falacy. You don't want to accept that, so I am perfectly happy
>to allow you to continue feeling superior. Enjoy, it's on me.
>Jan.
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Making something overly simplistic does not mean intuitive. You and
Jan need to stop using that word in regard to clicking with a mouse.
That's not what is meant by intuitive computing.
So you can't memorize key strokes, nobody's perfect...
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:44:47 +0930, "Kasper Kowalski"
I know HTML.
In this case, OE is a good indication or general rule.
Negative, you need to get a clue as to what intuitive means.
And, BTW, it has nothing to do with using a mouse.
Jan.
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PS.: I do have one of those UF store Big Foam Clue Bats knocking about
here... don't make me look for it.
