rec.autos.simulators

by **Schoone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:25:53

Huh? What does me posting issues with my ISP have to do with your
crossposting and not understanding basic terminology?
I guess attempt to change the subject to deflect it away from the mistakes
made. Good try.

> And you're just sooo perfect Schooner. Kinda like your Eastlink
> connection???
> ;-)

> > He actually means future dating not top posting. Funny he doesn't know
> the
> > terms but tries to tech everyone and makes a million other mistakes
along
> > the way :-)

by **Kevin** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:51:35

No, just to highlight that no one is perfect Schooner, technology included.
I guess you've never made a mistake I guess. Must be nice.

by **Kevin** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:52:13

PS - I know why I'm inside on this nice sunny day in Halifax. No beer in
the fridge or what?

by **Schoone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:35:36

Well between NASCAR, NFL, and work to do I know why I am. Plus if I go
outside I would have to cut the grass. :)

by **Cliff Roma** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:48:57

Can't say that I have ever seen a message dropped by my OE. Yes.. I would
know by broken threads, etc..

I do not understand why anyone would care what someone else uses through to
read their ng messages. You can have a neighbor relay messages to you via
smoke signals, I don't care. I would definitely never criticize someone
for it

> The integration is a very good point but I kindly suggest using Forte
> Agent. OE habitually drops messages regardless of what server
> you're using and its filtering capability is inferior to Agent. Agent
isn't
> as pretty or modern looking but it's simply the best. Also, the more
> modern looking, Outlook like, 2.0 version will be out soon.

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:42:33 +0930, "Kasper Kowalski"

> >I use OE, it's fine.. does everything I need, and integrates well with
the
> >other software I use.

by **Alan Jone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:21:10

I've used Agent since it first came out and I tried OE, on various servers,
when it came out. OE will habitually drop messages and that fact is
known by many. Just recently this week, I had a online racing friend ask
me what reader I recommend. He wanted to switch because his OE was
dropping messages. Maybe the problem isn't so apparent on your server
but it is a very well known fact.

>>OE habitually drops messages

>I already use Agent, but what do you mean OE drops messages? That
>would be a symptom of a ***news server and nothing to do with the
>newsreader you choose.

by **Alan Jone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:33:34

I'm sorry but, if you use OE, it doesn't reflect well on you as being net-
savvy or well informed in computing. It's akin to using AOL or WebTV.
My mother uses AOL because that's about all she can handle or manage
technically. Pointing this out to others may seem a bit rude but it's the
hard truth.

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:43:44

> I'm sorry but, if you use OE, it doesn't reflect well on you as being net-
> savvy or well informed in computing. It's akin to using AOL or WebTV.
> My mother uses AOL because that's about all she can handle or manage
> technically. Pointing this out to others may seem a bit rude but it's the
> hard truth.

And continuos cross posting is a sign of "net saviness" ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Alan Jone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:55:57

Yes it is. In fact, it shows 'your' lack of experience if you think there's
anything wrong with cross-posting. I wonder if you understand how
it works or how it's used it in discussion. Cross-posting serves a very
useful purpose.

>And continuos cross posting is a sign of "net saviness" ?

by **Alan Jone** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:49:35

The same reader 'you' use.

>And you use........??????

by **John Wallac** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:36:19

Presumably unless they commit, as you see it, the heinous crime of
top-posting, in which case they are given no options AND told what to
do?

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:26:27 GMT, "Kevin?"

>Sharing knowledge isn't always telling people what to do, it's also about
>giving options.

by **Kevin** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:55:18

Misunderstanding, I meant future date posting, not top posting in the
classic sense.

by **Carl Fris** » Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:38:46

Not very net savvy? That makes me laugh. That's like saying if you don't
use Pine you're not cool. I suppose you're still using packet drivers? Are
you composing your messages with VI? I mean really, if you didn't write
your NG reader yourself, why are you breathing my air? What RFC specs the
kind of News Reader and OS you use anyway?

Who cares what you use? SmokeRelay 1.0 sounds like fun. Might have to try
it some time:)

I've been around computers and the net for a long time and could really care
less what you or anyone else uses or how savvy they are. I'm more
interested in what they have to say. Kind of like if I order a pizza, I
don't care what they drive up in as long as the pizza's good. The same
pizza doesn't taste any better delivered in BMW vs. a 65' VW bug. Though I
do find a '65 bug with deadhead stickers and psychedelic paint more
interesting than the thousands of the run of the mill BMW's I see all the
time. So are those who use AOL or WebTV bad people? Are they of less
character and intelligence than the rest of us?

And on the topic of top vs. bottom posting I don't care if the pizza driver
pulled right in or backed up the driveway either:) I'm interested in the
pizza not the delivery, but then again I have a life:)

--
... Carl Frisk

> >I do not understand why anyone would care what someone else uses through
to
> >read their ng messages. You can have a neighbor relay messages to you
via
> >smoke signals, I don't care. I would definitely never criticize someone
> >for it

by **Alan Jone** » Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:30:06

I like Microsoft products, Office, FrontPage, etc. and OE is a pretty
good email program but it's 'terrible' with usenet messages. If you
don't mind a reader that can't effectively filter, or even delete, and
persistently drops messages; go right ahead but it doesn't say much
for you as being a knowledgeable computer user. Especially for
someone as you who is supposed to be knowledgeable in the first
place. But then, a tirade about a pizza delivery, BMW, and '65 VW
bug with deadhead stickers and psychedelic paint doesn't speak well
for a person either.

I'm not trying to change your mind or force my will on you. I'm simply
informing you of the problems with OE and, 'God forbid', telling you
how you're being perceived by many on usenet. If you don't care, fine,
move on with yourself but the fact is people automatically assume you
don't know any better and are ignorantly using what came with
Windows. Or even worse, you know of the problems but continue to
use it because you like the way it looks. You're an *** and capable
of making your own decisions, and you shouldn't have a problem with
others pointing out the consequences and realities.

>Not very net savvy? That makes me laugh. That's like saying if you don't
>use Pine you're not cool. I suppose you're still using packet drivers? Are
>you composing your messages with VI? I mean really, if you didn't write
>your NG reader yourself, why are you breathing my air? What RFC specs the
>kind of News Reader and OS you use anyway?

>Who cares what you use? SmokeRelay 1.0 sounds like fun. Might have to try
>it some time:)

>I've been around computers and the net for a long time and could really care
>less what you or anyone else uses or how savvy they are. I'm more
>interested in what they have to say. Kind of like if I order a pizza, I
>don't care what they drive up in as long as the pizza's good. The same
>pizza doesn't taste any better delivered in BMW vs. a 65' VW bug. Though I
>do find a '65 bug with deadhead stickers and psychedelic paint more
>interesting than the thousands of the run of the mill BMW's I see all the
>time. So are those who use AOL or WebTV bad people? Are they of less
>character and intelligence than the rest of us?

>And on the topic of top vs. bottom posting I don't care if the pizza driver
>pulled right in or backed up the driveway either:) I'm interested in the
>pizza not the delivery, but then again I have a life:)

>--
>... Carl Frisk

>> I'm sorry but, if you use OE, it doesn't reflect well on you as being net-
>> savvy or well informed in computing. It's akin to using AOL or WebTV.
>> My mother uses AOL because that's about all she can handle or manage
>> technically. Pointing this out to others may seem a bit rude but it's the
>> hard truth.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:50:28

Whatever there may be the technical shortcomings of OE, there is no other
news program for PC and Windows OS in particular that comes close to
matching its ease of browsing/reading messages and the intuitiveness of its
interface for me. I sometimes use Free Agent to download stuff off binary
newsgroups, but I can't stand it as a "news reader" in the literal sense.

But this is just the opinion of a computer user who's experience with
computers and networking goes back to the 70's, so it doesn't count,
obviously. Please continue to project and enjoy the sysadmin image.

Jan.
=---

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