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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 14 May 2002 13:26:33

It was done back in the 70's with a Pontiac Trans Am and a 750cc
roadbike....The Trans Am posted faster lap times due to better
braking....Just this past month, another magazine took a Z06 and a modern
roadbike to Willow Springs in California. The Rider/driver was kevin
Schwantz who is accomplised as a bike rider and car racer...despite getting
within just a few ticks of the track record with the Vette, he blew it away
with the bike. NOT even close. Cornering velocity was hugely in favor of
the bike.
dave henrie

by **Olav Malmi** » Tue, 14 May 2002 17:11:02

> I was wondering if any of you guys or gals have actually driven a race car
> on a circuit, sprint track or hill climb?

> Reading some of the posts here it seems that most people have never been
> near the real thing let alone driven one. In my opinion the game closest to
> getting it right is Grand Prix Legends, though this is still a little way
> off the real thing.

> I am not seeking confrontation but I am genuinely interested to know how
> people conclude a game feels real?

> Comments appreciated.

Did 15 minutes of testing my mates 100 cc direct drive go-kart. It is
probably one of the most enjoyable 15 minutes i've ever had with my
clothes on. Years of GPL training actually helped with understanding
what was going on, and how to use the loud pedal :)

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by **Jonny Hodgso** » Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:40

> > Why would anyone compare a bike to a car?

> It was done back in the 70's with a Pontiac Trans Am and a 750cc
> roadbike....The Trans Am posted faster lap times due to better

Evo took a range of quick cars (from TVR Cerbera, through 600 bhp
R32, to bike-engined 7s) plus a bike to Croft IIRC. The bike was
second to the Caterham Blackbird, by a whisker.

Jony

by **Eldre** » Wed, 15 May 2002 04:47:11

>Ya and ah motorbike(newer type sportbike) kick's ass on a Z06 anywhere,
>exept for maybee a gravel roadbut ehh on the track and through the corners
>0-60, 0-100-0, 1/4mile and top speed mind you topspeed is really close but
>by the time the Z06 catches up the guy on the bike is finished eating his
>lunch,
>If you dont believe me check out the april issue of Motorcyclist!

Apples and oranges. Bikes have better acceleration, cornering speeds, etc.
Not that I'm defending the poor Z06<g>, but that's not a proper comparison.

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 15 May 2002 04:47:12

>I wasn't replying to you anyway, just making a comment on the fact that the
>Viper is slower on the track than a Z06.

When you respond directly to a message that *I* posted, the general consensus
is that you ARE responding to me...

If you had read my message completely, you'd know that I *said* I'll never own
either. Obviously you missed that part. Truthfully, even if I *could* afford
it, I wouldn't buy either one. I happen to prefer the Lotus Esprit Turbo, so
THERE... :-P

I only work here - I didn't attend school here.

Whatever works for you...

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by **Hans Jense** » Wed, 15 May 2002 06:09:25

Yep that was the 1 i was refering to

> > Why would anyone compare a bike to a car?

> It was done back in the 70's with a Pontiac Trans Am and a 750cc
> roadbike....The Trans Am posted faster lap times due to better
> braking....Just this past month, another magazine took a Z06 and a modern
> roadbike to Willow Springs in California. The Rider/driver was kevin
> Schwantz who is accomplised as a bike rider and car racer...despite
getting
> within just a few ticks of the track record with the Vette, he blew it
away
> with the bike. NOT even close. Cornering velocity was hugely in favor of
> the bike.
> dave henrie

by **Gary** » Fri, 17 May 2002 14:35:28

> If you had read my message completely, you'd know that I *said* I'll never own
> either. Obviously you missed that part. Truthfully, even if I *could* afford
> it, I wouldn't buy either one. I happen to prefer the Lotus Esprit Turbo, so
> THERE... :-P

Son-of-a-***...I thought I was the only one who got a woody from those
things! Make mine British Racing Green with tan leather interior please.
Now if I could only hit the Powerball jackpot ;-)))))

Gary

by **Z06** » Fri, 17 May 2002 22:19:41

I hope you know a good shop to have that repaired in....
They spend more time in the Garage than the road....

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> > If you had read my message completely, you'd know that I *said* I'll never
own
> > either. Obviously you missed that part. Truthfully, even if I *could*
afford
> > it, I wouldn't buy either one. I happen to prefer the Lotus Esprit Turbo,
so
> > THERE... :-P

> Son-of-a-***...I thought I was the only one who got a woody from those
> things! Make mine British Racing Green with tan leather interior please.
> Now if I could only hit the Powerball jackpot ;-)))))

> Gary

by **Eldre** » Sat, 18 May 2002 02:24:12

>> If you had read my message completely, you'd know that I *said* I'll never
>own
>> either. Obviously you missed that part. Truthfully, even if I *could*
>afford
>> it, I wouldn't buy either one. I happen to prefer the Lotus Esprit Turbo,
>so
>> THERE... :-P

>Son-of-a-***...I thought I was the only one who got a woody from those
>things! Make mine British Racing Green with tan leather interior please.
>Now if I could only hit the Powerball jackpot ;-)))))

I already had plans for my anticipated Big Game winnings last month...<g>

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by **'Our Kid'** » Sun, 19 May 2002 05:21:16

First of all its really great to see all the responses to my post.

Where the hell do you get the idea that bikes have better cornering speeds?

As a former owner of an R1 and the current owner of an E46 M3, I can promise
you when it comes to the twisty stuff and heavy breaking the bike has no
chance, none!

Take a look at Jeremy Clarkson's DVD where he gets Neil Hodgson (Brit
Superbike Champ) on a Yamaha R1 to race Jason Plato (Brit Touring Car Champ)
in a Porsche 996 C2 around a standing start lap of Thruxton race circuit.
Its close, but the Porsche beats the bike and its a good example of the
different strengths of each vehicle. Bike kills car on acceleration, car
kills bike around the twisty stuff and under breaking. Its a good test as it
involves 2 people who get the most out of their vehicles rather than some
race bike rider racing a wannabe in a road car or vice versa.

Also compare the lap times of a World Superbike or 500cc machine to say and
F3 car or Touring Car on the same circuit, you may be surprised how much
faster 4 wheels are in the real world. If you want to see a real big
difference take an F1 car as a comparrison and you would see that on most
circuits the F1 car would lap the race bike in 4 or 5 laps.

Now carry on bickering ;-)

'Our Kid'

> >Ya and ah motorbike(newer type sportbike) kick's ass on a Z06 anywhere,
> >exept for maybee a gravel roadbut ehh on the track and through the
corners
> >0-60, 0-100-0, 1/4mile and top speed mind you topspeed is really close
but
> >by the time the Z06 catches up the guy on the bike is finished eating his
> >lunch,
> >If you dont believe me check out the april issue of Motorcyclist!

> Apples and oranges. Bikes have better acceleration, cornering speeds,
etc.
> Not that I'm defending the poor Z06<g>, but that's not a proper
comparison.

> Eldred
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> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
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cure
> *** cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a
> donation. Thank you.

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by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 19 May 2002 18:15:31

All depends on the track doesn't it......

http://www.nordschleife.no/

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **'Our Kid'** » Sun, 19 May 2002 19:28:27

Spot on!

Hans, its not that important, now chill or you may burst something...

'Our Kid'

> All depends on the track doesn't it......

> http://www.nordschleife.no/

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Nick** » Sun, 19 May 2002 09:39:11

> > I wasn't replying to you anyway, just making a comment on the fact that
> the
> > Viper is slower on the track than a Z06.

> > No need to defend yourself with comments like "I have no desire to enter
> this
> > ***-waving contest..." Funny, people always resort to saying it's a
> > "midlife-crisis" or "*** thing" when the conversation turns to
expensive
> high
> > performance sports cars... Usually from people who don't or can't have
> one...

> that would be an expression! it's not a defense. it's used anytime
> (usually) guys want to brag about and show off their trophies. sorry,
when
> there's no wooly mammoth to bring back to the tribe, fine machines, like
> you have there--which the price of could house a couple of homeless
> families-- is nothing but a trophey.

> do i admire the vehicles? yes. but don't have one, or can't have one
> doesn't enter into the equation for many folk, they just don't need the
> trophies and they like using expressions.

> rob, (the guy that rides his 15 yr old heavy murray mtn bike to
work..gutter
> bunny to the max... my *** is waving high and proud!)

I don't own a supercar (or a Z06 <g>), because I can have so much more fun
in a RenaultSport Clio 172 (11k in the UK brand spanking). Unfortunately I
don't own a racetrack, so my fun comes from B-road blasts. If I won the
lotto, it would be a Porsche 911 Turbo S (maybe even the RUF R Turbo -
there's something about*** the arse of a 160k supercar out like an
old-skool Ford Escort :-), or a Ferrari 360... no, scrub that... a Ferrari
V8 just doesn't ring right, even if it does sound absolutely fantastic on
the lift-off overrun... Maybe a 550 Maranello, but then David Beckham has
one of those... Okay, maybe a 355 F1 Berlinetta. Of course, there are other
fantastic cars I would look at - Aston Vanquish, TVR Tamora, Evo VI/VII,
Mini Cooper S, the fantastic Clio V6, Lotus Elise, Ford Puma, 206 GTi, I
could go on.

Does this mean I have a genetic defect with my ***/excretary organs? Or a
love of cars and motorsports that has gripped me since infancy and taken
over? I don't care what you think. It is a natural thing to be proud of
something you have worked hard for and earnt, and it is just as natural
(some might say essentially British) to cloud envy with jeers. If it makes
you happy, then just do it.

<g>

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by **Nick** » Sun, 19 May 2002 09:43:23

Count me in on that one, baby!

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