rec.autos.simulators

I don't know about elsewhere in the world, but in the UK, EB has a 10-
day "no fuss returns" policy. In other words, you can return a game for
a refund, even if it's not faulty, on the grounds that you just don't
like it, assuming it's in mint condition with the receipt.

Given this, why the hell do people need warez versions? Just go into EB
and buy the game honestly. If for whatever reason it doesn't work out,
then take it back to the shop and get your refund/excange. All above-
board and legal, and still risk-free.

(If it's of interest, I was talking to a member of staff about F12000
yesterday, and he was expecting a lot of returns under their 10-day
policy. As he said: "they're going to have a problem with a game that
needs this kind of spec to run properly - especially the 128 megs of
RAM, seeing as most new PCs only come with 64 megs these days".)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Please remember that EB is not implemented in every country, or every city
and village in the world ;-)

Well, it's goes back to the rhetoric question about "who came first? Egg or
chicken?".  Some people appreciate to have knowledge about the quality of a
software they intend to buy before the release date.  Quite like movie
reviewers, who have special screenings before it's released to the main
market.  Or music reviewers.  Or <insert any type of Entertainment>.  When
we discuss this in a mature way, it is benefitial, at the opposite of what
happened with F1 2000, which went to far imho.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

        No EBs anywhere nearby.

        That said, I really do like open return policies as I am much more
likely to give a game a try.  And having to ship it back for a 6-8 week wait on
a refund check is not the same thing, not at all.  I had to spend shipping and
postage plus wait forever on my refunds for some SierraSports products back in
'97.  At that point I stopped buying games right when they came out and started
to wait for a patch or two.

                                        -Tim

Would I be wrong, Mark? If so, I'd like to hear why.

Why would you steal from those who make *** possible?
Its one thing to try something out, and it's another thing to
steal it. Wouldnt you agree?

"Mrv" wrote
<snip>.  I have no guilt the hell with software

It is very easy to be highly critical of the publishers. We have all been
burnt buying titles that promise new features - only to find they end up on
the shelf. Sure it leaves a bitter taste. How some titles ever make it to
the publisher seems incredible (SOS for example).

However, as sim enthusiasts it is easy for us to be too critical of titles
that lack the purist physics models of GPL. Imagine a new computer owner
looking for a decent F1 game & steering wheel to run on his shiny new Athlon
850. F1-2000 would surely be well received. Compared with say Formula 1 99
it is a proper sim - with plenty of potential life (aids to remove, AI to
improve, setup options to discover).

Perhaps we have to accept that this is the core market and hope to gain some
spin offs in the form of physics patches from the developers or (more
likely) third party add ons from the enthusiasts to get what we want.

Tony

So presumably you'd be accepting of "warez" versions of
CDs/videos/DVDs/etc etc etc.?

Sheesh. A balanced and sensible putting forward of an argument. What
*is* going on with this NG?

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

<snip>

No. I must say, I wasn't aware that EB were so unusual in their returns policy
- quite a few shops have something similar in the UK. I don't think what you do
is really *morally* wrong (I exclude that CD-burning person here), but it's
still illegal. OK, so copying a CD onto cassette is also illegal, and everyone
does that. Fair point. But for some reason I (personally) draw the line at
warez software.

I suppose what I really mean is: "don't use pirate software. Unless you really,  
really need to." :-)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Of course I completly agree.  Those "wear canni dload da warez" are clearly
not part of the r.a.s. community.  They are mostly lurkers or people who are
clearly not what I call "*** simracers" in heart and mind.  We don't
need scums like that.  What I said is that many of us (per example me, EB
has no store in Qubec) *** simracers have no choice but to go "try it,
see if I like it"  instead of "buy it, see if I like it".  Demo are not
anymore what I research, as they are mostly rushed out, or give false
impression of the final product.

Of course not since It's not my domain.  As a r.a.s. citizen, I guess many
of us have a role, even if informal, to help people.  It is the basic of our
newsgroup.  And when you help people, I consider that it's a plus to have
the information before the title is release so you can help the rest of the
community (lurkers, people who don't have the same experience or want to get
answers about certain types of racing simulators).

I didn't fully understood your first phrase. It's a good thing or not?
Still, Im not sure what's going on also.  Give it a week and people will
calm down, I hope.  Until Gp3 <sarcasm>

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

<snip>
<snip>

DO you mean "sheesh"? It's a fairly common euphemism for "shit". It was
a (somewhat sarcastic...) expression of surprise that someone (you) had
actually put forward a sensible and reasoned argument in favour of
certain types of warez.

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

<snip>
per example me, EB has no store in Qubec
<snip>

Ah well, EB staff obviously can't speak French, you see. Actually, some
of the ones I know have a bit of trouble with English... :-)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Ah ok.  I knew about sheesh, should had wrote "second sentence"  ;)

I wasn't sure if you were sarcastic or not in your comment, since I
associated the full paragraph as one main idea.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Mike