rec.autos.simulators

> > >That's fine and dandy David.  But most people don't have the luxury
> > >of being able to return software.  Like where I am from, once you
> > >leave the door that's it.  You bought the damn thing.  Only way to
> > >return product is if it defective and then they will replace it with
> > >a new one.  So tough luck if it sucks too bad your out $50 dollars,
> > >is that fair?
> > <snip>

> > No. I must say, I wasn't aware that EB were so unusual in their returns
policy
> > - quite a few shops have something similar in the UK. I don't think what
you do
> > is really *morally* wrong (I exclude that CD-burning person here), but
it's
> > still illegal. OK, so copying a CD onto cassette is also illegal, and
everyone
> > does that. Fair point. But for some reason I (personally) draw the line
at
> > warez software.

> > I suppose what I really mean is: "don't use pirate software. Unless you
really,
> > really need to." :-)

> > --
> > David.
> > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
> > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> Mike

> >Putting a tape in a VCR and recording a movie or a show is just the same as
> hoaring
> >warez.  I bet everyone in this Ng does it.  But that is okay right?  I
> would like
> >to hear the comments of the goody boys on this Ng on this one.

> Still making excuses why pirating software is ok?

> Btw, for those of you that think it is ok cause companies like Papy/Sierra
> "screwed" you, just remember they offer you a 30-day Free Return Policy on
> all their games.  If you buy ANY Sierra game and do not like it, within 30
> days you can return it to them and they will refund your money.  All you
> need to do is tell them why you did not like it.  You can tell them the
> color of the box was ugly and they will still return the money.  (I got my
> money back for one of their games in about 2 weeks, pretty good considering
> it takes at least 6 to get rebates back from most companies)

> Even knowing this, I bet some of you will still use the same ole lame
> "testing the software" excuse to pirate N4 also.


> > Putting a tape in a VCR and recording a movie or a show is just the same
> as hoaring
> > warez.  I bet everyone in this Ng does it.  But that is okay right?  I
> would like
> > to hear the comments of the goody boys on this Ng on this one.

> > > >That's fine and dandy David.  But most people don't have the luxury
> > > >of being able to return software.  Like where I am from, once you
> > > >leave the door that's it.  You bought the damn thing.  Only way to
> > > >return product is if it defective and then they will replace it with
> > > >a new one.  So tough luck if it sucks too bad your out $50 dollars,
> > > >is that fair?
> > > <snip>

> > > No. I must say, I wasn't aware that EB were so unusual in their returns
> policy
> > > - quite a few shops have something similar in the UK. I don't think what
> you do
> > > is really *morally* wrong (I exclude that CD-burning person here), but
> it's
> > > still illegal. OK, so copying a CD onto cassette is also illegal, and
> everyone
> > > does that. Fair point. But for some reason I (personally) draw the line
> at
> > > warez software.

> > > I suppose what I really mean is: "don't use pirate software. Unless you
> really,
> > > really need to." :-)

> > > --
> > > David.
> > > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> > > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> >Putting a tape in a VCR and recording a movie or a show is just the same as hoaring
> >warez.  I bet everyone in this Ng does it.  But that is okay right?  I would like
> >to hear the comments of the goody boys on this Ng on this one.

> Broadcast programs are free, genius. You don't see anyone here
> quacking about downloading freeware, do you?
> If you're talking about a movie on a pay channel, it's not comparable
> since the licensed is different. You're allowed to record it as long
> as you don't rebroadcast it publicly or charge for it.

> Tim

> > The laws on this are slightly different than pirating software.  You are
> > more than welcome to copy a show that is on tv

> If it were illegal to tape programs off the TV - here is a frigging clue -
> THEY COULDN'T SELL VCRS and RECORDABLE TAPES.  We'd all have PLAYERS and
> could only watch the movies we bought or rented at Blockbuster.  Geez - if
> you're going to use analogies, make proper ones.

> --
> Ken's Sig 3.01

> "Who is the more foolish?  The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -
> Obi-Wan Kenobi

> Go #43 and #44!

> volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

> >Btw, for those of you that think it is ok cause companies like
Papy/Sierra
> >"screwed" you, just remember they offer you a 30-day Free Return Policy
on
> >all their games.  If you buy ANY Sierra game and do not like it, within
30
> >days you can return it to them and they will refund your money.

> Hi Cliff... If this comment is an oblique reference to my dissatisfaction
> with the broken promises related to Nascar Revolution, then FYI,
> Nascar Revolution was developed by EA Sports. The same people that
> now have released F1-2000.

> If not, then carry on ..

> --
> * rrev at mindspring dot com
> * unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m.
> * http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> >Good point, but u got people like me who will buy a peice of software,
burn
> >the ISO of the cd as soon as i get home, and freakin return it, so
whether
> >warez or buy, don't make a living difference here.  Though, I am on the
same
> >point where if a game is good, I go ahead and by, like gpl as an exaple
> >which is quality.

> Well, Mark, you see, you are the problem, aren't you? Why on earth
> would you burn a copy of a game that wasn't good? Do you see where
> I'm coming from here? I agree with trying out the occasional game
> prior to it's ship date. Hey, call it curiosity, being an early adopter,
> corporate revenge, or whatever you will, but I think that if a game
> is good enough to burn, it's good enough to buy.

> Would I be wrong, Mark? If so, I'd like to hear why.

> Why would you steal from those who make *** possible?
> Its one thing to try something out, and it's another thing to
> steal it. Wouldnt you agree?

> >> ...you have Electronics Boutique?

> >> I don't know about elsewhere in the world, but in the UK, EB has a 10-
> >> day "no fuss returns" policy. In other words, you can return a game for
> >> a refund, even if it's not faulty, on the grounds that you just don't
> >> like it, assuming it's in mint condition with the receipt.

> >> Given this, why the hell do people need warez versions? Just go into EB
> >> and buy the game honestly. If for whatever reason it doesn't work out,
> >> then take it back to the shop and get your refund/excange. All above-
> >> board and legal, and still risk-free.

> >> (If it's of interest, I was talking to a member of staff about F12000
> >> yesterday, and he was expecting a lot of returns under their 10-day
> >> policy. As he said: "they're going to have a problem with a game that
> >> needs this kind of spec to run properly - especially the 128 megs of
> >> RAM, seeing as most new PCs only come with 64 megs these days".)

> >> --
> >> David.
> >> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> >> really."
> >> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> --
> * rrev at mindspring dot com
> * unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m.
> * http://www.racesimcentral.net/