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Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

Joao Gonzale

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Joao Gonzale » Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:32:46

Hi,

My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy and the
pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the FF will
probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing) yesterday.

My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has gone
through the same switch and can share some experiences.

The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing. The FF
feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really place my finger
on it.

My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I guess
that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my consistency has
suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably because I'm
overdriving it.

In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for Papy games
that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't need changing?

Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

Jo?o Gonzalez

Schoone

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Schoone » Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:15:53

www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at least
use to.


Steve Simpso

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Steve Simpso » Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:26:52

I switched about 6 months ago and I was slower for the first 3-4 days too
but then I started to get PBs mainly due to the better pedals I would say.
Maybe the wheel also needs a bit of time to break-in and loosen up a little.
The FF felt fairly similar I thought between the 2 wheels though the black
momo seems a bit more plasticy but not too bad.
Joao Gonzale

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Joao Gonzale » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:39:23


> www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at
> least use to.



>> Hi,

>> My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy and
>> the pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

>> As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the FF
>> will probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing)
>> yesterday.

>> My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has
>> gone through the same switch and can share some experiences.

>> The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing. The FF
>> feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really place my
>> finger on it.

>> My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I
>> guess that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my consistency
>> has suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably because I'm
>> overdriving it.

>> In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for Papy
>> games that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't need
>> changing?

>> Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

>> Jo?o Gonzalez

They don't have them anymore but thanks anyway Schooner
Juan Vizos

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Juan Vizos » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:18:20

Try this link Joao ...    This seems to indicate they still have the
kits....
   http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Pname?Name=963260-K...




>> www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at
>> least use to.



>>> Hi,

>>> My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy and
>>> the pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

>>> As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the FF
>>> will probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing)
>>> yesterday.

>>> My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has
>>> gone through the same switch and can share some experiences.

>>> The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing. The
>>> FF feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really place my
>>> finger on it.

>>> My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I
>>> guess that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my consistency
>>> has suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably because I'm
>>> overdriving it.

>>> In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for Papy
>>> games that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't need
>>> changing?

>>> Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

>>> Jo?o Gonzalez

> They don't have them anymore but thanks anyway Schooner

Joao Gonzale

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Joao Gonzale » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:42:44


Thanks, that's a relief to know...

I've been doing some more laps and its getting better. Appart from the pedal
travel, the main difference is steering response. Its much more responsive.
In N2003 you have to increase steering ratio for the same setup. Even in a
twisting track like Tris Rivieres you get the feeling that steering lock is
too high.

Juan Vizos

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Juan Vizos » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:20:44

 Oh well .. I notice now the 'in stock' box isn't ticked so you must be
right .. :-(  jv


> Try this link Joao ...    This seems to indicate they still have the
> kits....

> http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Pname?Name=963260-K...





>>> www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at
>>> least use to.



>>>> Hi,

>>>> My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy and
>>>> the pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

>>>> As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the FF
>>>> will probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing)
>>>> yesterday.

>>>> My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has
>>>> gone through the same switch and can share some experiences.

>>>> The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing. The
>>>> FF feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really place my
>>>> finger on it.

>>>> My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I
>>>> guess that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my consistency
>>>> has suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably because I'm
>>>> overdriving it.

>>>> In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for Papy
>>>> games that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't need
>>>> changing?

>>>> Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

>>>> Jo?o Gonzalez

>> They don't have them anymore but thanks anyway Schooner

Schoone

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Schoone » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:17:57

That box is to filter your search.

They have stock:
"Quantity Available 94"


> Oh well .. I notice now the 'in stock' box isn't ticked so you must be
> right .. :-(  jv



>> Try this link Joao ...    This seems to indicate they still have the
>> kits....

>> http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Pname?Name=963260-K...





>>>> www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at
>>>> least use to.



>>>>> Hi,

>>>>> My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy and
>>>>> the pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

>>>>> As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the
>>>>> FF will probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing)
>>>>> yesterday.

>>>>> My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has
>>>>> gone through the same switch and can share some experiences.

>>>>> The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing. The
>>>>> FF feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really place my
>>>>> finger on it.

>>>>> My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I
>>>>> guess that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my
>>>>> consistency has suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably
>>>>> because I'm overdriving it.

>>>>> In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for Papy
>>>>> games that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't need
>>>>> changing?

>>>>> Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

>>>>> Jo?o Gonzalez

>>> They don't have them anymore but thanks anyway Schooner

Joao Gonzale

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Joao Gonzale » Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:32:35


> That box is to filter your search.

> They have stock:
> "Quantity Available 94"



>> Oh well .. I notice now the 'in stock' box isn't ticked so you must be
>> right .. :-(  jv



>>> Try this link Joao ...    This seems to indicate they still have the
>>> kits....

>>> http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?Pname?Name=963260-K...





>>>>> www.digikey.com carries replacement kits for the Logitech wheels or at
>>>>> least use to.



>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>> My trusty Red Momo (Momo Force) is on its last legs, FF is twitchy
>>>>>> and the pedals are getting extra soft with the brake POT acting up.

>>>>>> As its hard to get replacement springs and POTS where I live and the
>>>>>> FF will probably break anyway, I bought a Black Momo (Momo Racing)
>>>>>> yesterday.

>>>>>> My first impressions are not so great so I was wonderig if anyone has
>>>>>> gone through the same switch and can share some experiences.

>>>>>> The pedals have a much larger travel which should be a good thing.
>>>>>> The FF feel is much different, feels weaker somehow, can't really
>>>>>> place my finger on it.

>>>>>> My laptimes with it (I use it for N2003 Cup/TA and GTR) are slower (I
>>>>>> guess that's normal for the first few days) but it seems my
>>>>>> consistency has suffered much with it. I tend to spin often, probably
>>>>>> because I'm overdriving it.

>>>>>> In N2003 I use the Logitech Profiler with the specific tweaks for
>>>>>> Papy games that have been posted here so often. I assume they don't
>>>>>> need changing?

>>>>>> Any thoughts/comments/suggestions much appreciated.

>>>>>> Jo?o Gonzalez

>>>> They don't have them anymore but thanks anyway Schooner

TX guys, the old Momo might still have a chance!
Alan L

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Alan L » Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:26:01

IIRC, the MOMO Racing only has 240 degrees of rotation compared to the
Force's 270 degrees, so you're effectively getting a lower ratio just by
switching.  It's only 15 degrees less each side, but it could be the reason.

Alan

Steve Simpso

Switiching from Red Momo to Black Momo

by Steve Simpso » Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:41:15

Yeah, true, but I found that the optical system in the Racing made up for
the slightly lower rotation with it's slightly better precision.


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