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Sorry if this has been debated:

I've only been messing around with SCGT for a few days, but something
seems odd with the spins.
As I lose the car in a corner, it seems no amount of turning into the
spin or mashing/chopping throttle will keep it from executing a
near-perfect 180. I've tried doing the "wrong" things on purpose, just
to see if it makes a difference (using a T2, BTW).

I've only used the BMW/Porsche/Panoz that are available at the
beginning of a career.
Is it just me, or is something goofy with the spins? I've been way
better at spin recovery on every other sim I've played.

Tim

Dave

I've found SCGT is more often than not believable in the way it
reacts. The car goes around pretty quickly though, and you need to
swiftly apply an appropriate amount of lock/brake/gas to catch it.
It's certainly possible, as I often have to gather the car up through
the chicanes at Hockenheim.

Cheers!
John

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Well that is the begining of a spin. Also I have had some very big slides
at Road Atlanta and recovered and also had some wild spins, car that almost
gyrating like a top.  This is where I don't understand why so many say the
spins are canned.

.  Spins canned=yes.  At least thats how my
cool you have eyes in your hands and feet. It must really hurt if you stub
a finger or toe.

Dave

If the spin/slide isn't too bad, I can usually catch it with throttle and
wheel inputs. If I do lose it
(happens to the best of us!), I can drop a gear or two, mash the throttle
and do a complete 360
and go about my merry way!

Viper feels better tail out, and reacts much more realistically when
you turn into or away from the spin and modulate the throttle.
With SCGT, the spins just seem too much alike every time.

I don't drive like an idiot on the street, so most of my real-life
spin experience is with off road trucks.
It's kind of subjective, I guess, but  SODA, Viper, GPL, and even
older sims like N2 and ICR2 all seem to consistently model spins, but
SCGT doesn't (to me).

I used the cheats and bought the Rattlesnake, which is four wheel
drive. Try that one, and see if you think it feels like a more
accurate portrayal of the handling of a RWD car. I think it does.
It hangs out and comes back in line more gradually.

That said, none of this really takes away from the game for me.
I'm having more real FUN with SCGT than I've had with any game or sim
in a long time (I prefer this kind of stuff to open wheel).
Totally ***ed...

Tim

Yes.  A couple of times I've lost it, mashed the throttle,
and ended up traveling straight backwards with the drive
wheels spinning furiously.  I've done the same thing in
GPL and this is very much like the spin Gil DeFerran had
when starting the field at Japan.  (For those of you who
didn't see it, he spun at the start and wound up traveling
backwards down the main straight with the drive wheels
boiling smoke as he kept fully in the throttle)  My guess
is that the "feel" of the physics is just different and we
aren't completely used to it yet.

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AFAI can imagine Viper will model "road" tyres, treaded and with not
only a more generous slip angle but a more gradual drop-off as you
approach the edge of adhesion. SCGT models racing slicks whose grip
falls away rapidly as slip increases, so when you get it out of shape
you have far less warning that it's all going pear-shaped. That would
seem consistent.

I'm not totally ***ed but I've found it a lot of fun and I've
actually surprised myself how much (and how often) I like racing it.
It's shortcomings only became apparent when I returned to GPL last
night for some analysis and it is pretty far (miles!) ahead as far as
car dynamics and immersiveness of the driving experience. Still, SCGT
is piles of fun so far and has surprised me since I didn't like early
demos too much. I still don't like many aspects of it, but the racing
is really fun.

Cheers!
John