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Superbike race rigged or what!

Mark C Dod

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Mark C Dod » Tue, 01 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Move the finish line closer to the corner so the Ducati's don't get
passed by the faster Honda's on the final dash for the line!

The officicial time gives the second race to Edwards by .005 of a second
but the officials with the best eyes in the world give it to Foggy
because it looked like he was ahead at the line! (perhaps they can only
see Ducati's)

Stop and Go for Slight when he didn't jump the start according to the
rules (the rear axle has to pass where the front axle started from).

Perhaps they can include some of these as cheats in Superbike 2000!

Spirewo

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Spirewo » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00



How can you move the finish line? Huh?

Mark C Dod

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Mark C Dod » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00

They moved the line closer to the corner than in other years. This is because
the Honda's passed them several times on the last lap on the long run to the
start/finish line to win in the last couple of years. The Honda would of won
again this year if the finish line was further along the straight as it has
been for the last 50 odd years.



> > Move the finish line closer to the corner so the Ducati's don't get
> > passed by the faster Honda's on the final dash for the line!

> > The officicial time gives the second race to Edwards by .005 of a second
> > but the officials with the best eyes in the world give it to Foggy
> > because it looked like he was ahead at the line! (perhaps they can only
> > see Ducati's)

> > Stop and Go for Slight when he didn't jump the start according to the
> > rules (the rear axle has to pass where the front axle started from).

> > Perhaps they can include some of these as cheats in Superbike 2000!

> How can you move the finish line? Huh?

Bj.O.r

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Bj.O.r » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> They moved the line closer to the corner than in other years. This is
because
> the Honda's passed them several times on the last lap on the long run to
the
> start/finish line to win in the last couple of years. The Honda would of
won
> again this year if the finish line was further along the straight as it
has
> been for the last 50 odd years.

"They" moved the line because "they" got passed by the Hondas down the
straight?
Lets put the facts straight (pun intended...) this was done so slipstreaming
out of the last corner would not be a factor. How interesting is it to se a
race where no-one wants the lead into the last corner just for the fear of
being robbed of a victory?

BTW, Colin Edwards was not looking very happy about his podium finish, he
behaved like the spoiled brat he is at the interview...

Remember, the world superbike championship is not run by Ducati, they just
dominate it :-)

/Bj.O.rn, 900SuperSport ie, SDK #1225

Harald Boer

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Harald Boer » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Well, good thinking because that was his point, because in the last couple
of years the faster Honda's just drove past them on the last run to the
finish. Now they couldn't so it was done in favor of the Ducati's.

 How interesting is it to se a

VERY Interesting!! The Monza races have always been one of the highlights of
the season (as was this one)

Errrr, Italian organizers, Italian track, Italian bikes???. Yeah sure, it
was just done for the sake of a fair race;-)
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Fogarty/Ducati fan but I really had to laugh
when I saw the finish of the 1st race.

Cheers,

Harald

Peter Lock

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Peter Lock » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


dominate it :-)

I suspect your smiley is not sarcasm !

FIM is run by an Italian, Ducati have had favourable engine size for too
long. Cut them back to 750cc
and see where they finish then ! Or add weight penalties. But, something
needs to be done to rebalance
the sport. Ducati have sold lots of road bikes on their performance in
superbikes, friends who have driven them and others do *NOT* rate the Dukes
!!

Peter Lock

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Peter Lock » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


dominate it :-)

I suspect your smiley is not sarcasm !

FIM is run by an Italian, Ducati have had favourable engine size for too
long. Cut them back to 750cc
and see where they finish then ! Or add weight penalties. But, something
needs to be done to rebalance
the sport. Ducati have sold lots of road bikes on their performance in
superbikes, friends who have driven them and others do *NOT* rate the Dukes
!!

Peter Lock

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Peter Lock » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


dominate it :-)

I suspect your smiley is not sarcasm !

FIM is run by an Italian, Ducati have had favourable engine size for too
long. Cut them back to 750cc
and see where they finish then ! Or add weight penalties. But, something
needs to be done to rebalance
the sport. Ducati have sold lots of road bikes on their performance in
superbikes, friends who have driven them and others do *NOT* rate the Dukes
!!

Bj.O.r

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Bj.O.r » Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> I suspect your smiley is not sarcasm !

Take it anyway you want..  :-)

FIM is the International federation of motorcyclists, same thing as FIA is
for cars... ... "run by an Italian"?

So... Ducati has had favorable engine sizes.... It has been free for all to
use 1000cc twins since the series started back in the late 80's. So why did
not Honda or any other of the big 4 do this? In fact they have tried lately
with not much in the way of results...

Add weight to the Ducati? you have to add weight to the Aprillia to in such
case... I don't think Goddard would be very pleased with that...

lets see what Honda might come up with next year, the RC45 has allready
passed its homologation date (they race it on dispence this year). A twin
maybe?

True... but there is more, the looks, the sound, the soul, the passion, the
myth, the red (sometimes yellow) paint....

So, they rather ride Hardleys then.... ;-)

/Bj.O.rn, SwedishDucatiClub membro#1225

Peter Lock

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Peter Lock » Thu, 03 Jun 1999 04:00:00


for cars... ... "run by an Italian"?

Francesco Zerbi, President FIM
...also...
Mr. Maurizio Flammini, President of Superbike International
...and don't forget....
Paolo Flammini, vice-President of Superbike International

Am I incorrect in thinking all three are Italian ??

Where are you getting these 'results'. Yes, they have them "in the wings"
and
what's the betting that when/if they bring them out, the rules would be
changed
to favour Ducati ??

Simpler, why didn't Ducati build a 750/4 ?

SO.

Hmmm. The sound is nice, but in Scotland it is usually confined to sunny
days. On
our more typical wet and cold weather they are buggars to start and keep
running.

You can tell a Duc in Scotland, it's the one sitting at the side of the road
waiting for
the AA to dry out the electrics :-)

No. Hondas, some Blackbirds and Kawazakis.

On above electrics a funny story. A Blackbird owning friend always makes
most of
Ducati/Aprillia/Laverda etc electrics difficulties in our weather. Points
out that his
Honda *always* starts first time and never misses regardless of weather. One
day,
his bike will not start. After much searching he opens the immobiliser to
find it full of
water. After drying it out, the bike starts fine. We all had a good laugh
when we found
out the immobiliser was ITALIAN - so continuing our belief that in nice
weather they
are undoubtedly superb electronics and bikes. BUT in the *real* world :-)
:-)

Off tonight to the Isle of Man TT for a week to see *real* riders doing
*REAL* racing !!

Ciao !!

Hans

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Hans » Thu, 03 Jun 1999 04:00:00


>lets see what Honda might come up with next year, the RC45 has allready
>passed its homologation date (they race it on dispence this year). A twin
>maybe?

  Exactly right, replacing the RC45. Not concrete yet but looks like it will
happen. Supposevly tests have shown that the bike does whats needed with way
less rider effort than the RC45 requires, and with equal lap times.

  Hans-

Bj.O.r

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Bj.O.r » Thu, 03 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> Simpler, why didn't Ducati build a 750/4 ?

Don't be silly.... :-)

A 4-cylinder Ducati? Won't happen again.... They made a couple of disastruos
prototypes in the 50's and 60's (the inline 4 125GP and the1250cc V4
Apollo). They never looked back since...

Oh... well...hrmm... Them voltage regulator/rectifier is known for it's
notorious Tjernobyl behaviour, but they are made by Nippon-Denso, Says it
all really... ;-)

Simple, the immobiliser got sick of being stuck to a japanese bike, it
really, really wanted to leave... :-)

Have a nice trip, don't smash yerself to pieces....

/Bj.O.rn, SDK #1225

Philip For

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Philip For » Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:00:00

G'day Mark



Sorry can't understand your reasoning here? both races Edwards had a chance
to beat Foggy, 1st race Foggy out smarted him and passed Edwards earlier
then Edwards thought he would, then Edwards got on the gas to early coming
out of a corner thus blowing chance for race 1. Second race wasn't Edwards
in front at the last corner and again stuffed it up half way round thus
allowing Foggy the win. What I'm saying is Edwards would have won both races
without thes two mistakes he made (rider error not Italian officials).

I'm not 100% sure but didn't they change the rules for the start, you are
now not allowed any movement on the line?

Regards Phil.

Mark C Dod

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Mark C Dod » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Edwards did apologise for his actions. Everybody is allowed at least one dummy
spit per season.

"They" were in their home country so "they" had the advantage of a home track
decision.



> > They moved the line closer to the corner than in other years. This is
> because
> > the Honda's passed them several times on the last lap on the long run to
> the
> > start/finish line to win in the last couple of years. The Honda would of
> won
> > again this year if the finish line was further along the straight as it
> has
> > been for the last 50 odd years.

> "They" moved the line because "they" got passed by the Hondas down the
> straight?
> Lets put the facts straight (pun intended...) this was done so slipstreaming
> out of the last corner would not be a factor. How interesting is it to se a
> race where no-one wants the lead into the last corner just for the fear of
> being robbed of a victory?

> BTW, Colin Edwards was not looking very happy about his podium finish, he
> behaved like the spoiled brat he is at the interview...

> Remember, the world superbike championship is not run by Ducati, they just
> dominate it :-)

> /Bj.O.rn, 900SuperSport ie, SDK #1225

Mark C Dod

Superbike race rigged or what!

by Mark C Dod » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Honda will race their V Twin next year. According to reports the laps times they
are doing in testing will be more than competitive. The RC45 is getting alittle
long in the tooth!

I don't think there is anything wrong witht he formula. .120 and .005 second
gaps between the Duke and Honda at the end of the races is not much!




> > Remember, the world superbike championship is not run by Ducati, they just
> dominate it :-)

> I suspect your smiley is not sarcasm !

> FIM is run by an Italian, Ducati have had favourable engine size for too
> long. Cut them back to 750cc
> and see where they finish then ! Or add weight penalties. But, something
> needs to be done to rebalance
> the sport. Ducati have sold lots of road bikes on their performance in
> superbikes, friends who have driven them and others do *NOT* rate the Dukes
> !!


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