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Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

Olly Greenfiel

Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

by Olly Greenfiel » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:03:04

I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ?
I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very
promising.
As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing
game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have
heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have
digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive
for *** addons or "patches".
Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will
have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems.
Olav K. Malm

Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

by Olav K. Malm » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:15:45


> I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the XBOX ?
> I think I am going to pass on the Gamecube, but the XBOX sounds very
> promising.
> As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing
> game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like. Also, I have
> heard that it will support HDTV resolutions, and many games will have
> digital dolby 5.1 support, done on the fly in realtime. Plus the harddrive
> for *** addons or "patches".
> Forcefeedback wheels. Sounds like interesting times ahead. I guess I will
> have to upgrade my TV and stereo systems.

Probably. However the x-box wont arrive until next year here. But it
would be fun to have something to hook up to my 32" 5.1 home theatre.

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Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:41:19


> I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the
> XBOX ?

me! me! me!

hmmm....  are any "promising" racing titles confirmed for the XBox?
can't think of any myself.

I dunno what resolution HDTV is, but the 'box will let you run
2000x1800 or something like that on a regular monitor.

it has potential for being a serious asskicker in the audio
department, yeah.  256 3d-channels, I believe.

I can't wait for it.  the in-game movies we've allready seen are
really incredible.

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Olav K. Malm

Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

by Olav K. Malm » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:56:34



> > I was wondering if anybody in this group is intending to buy the
> > XBOX ?

> me! me! me!

> > As good as GT3 looks on the PS2, I cannot wait to see what a good racing
> > game on the XBOX's Geforce 3 graphics system will look like.

> hmmm....  are any "promising" racing titles confirmed for the XBox?
> can't think of any myself.

World Sports Cars ?

Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with all
the addons/hacks/mods and so on.

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Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:18:23


kidding?

won't argue with you on that one.  but consoles are still the biz for
those late night drunken binges.  Colin McRay 2 on the PSX is actually
really awesome at four in the morning after a few cases of suitable
***ic beverage with a handful of mates.  these days we have GT3,
of course.

(damned!  busted! lol)

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Olav K. Malm

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by Olav K. Malm » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:28:27



> > World Sports Cars ?

> kidding?

Nope.

Agreed. I actually considered a PSX a couple of years ago, just so my
and some mates could play soccer games when drinking. (ouch busted
too... :)

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John Cauthe

Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

by John Cauthe » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:43:18


It's not the X-Box that will convince me to buy and X-Box, rather the games.
So far, I don't see anything that has aroused my interest.  I'm taking a
wait and see attitude on this one.  Certainly won't be camped out at Wal
Mart like I was the day the PS2 launched!  And that wasn't worth it, it
wasn't until two months ago that I began to see a few worthwhile games come
the PS2's way.  Of course the learning curve shouldn't be as much of an
obstacle where the X-Box is concerned.

John Cauthen
Sport Planet

Dave Henri

Is anyone planning on getting the XBOX ???

by Dave Henri » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:11:02

"Gunnar Horrigmo" <
  There was a magazine that had a comparision of nascar heat for the ps2 and
also Xbox.  The added detail in the track surface, fencing, etc was very
noticiable.  Plus the AA was clearly better.  Xbox graphically at least,
will be a superior console, but the first reviews of release titles for the
unit seem lackluster.
dave henrie

Simon Brow

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by Simon Brow » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:59:58

Don't think I'll be getting one.  The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3.  Of
course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'll be
enough better to make it worth buying.  My CPU is already 40% faster than a
P3-700.  The GF3 is pretty much the same speed as my GF2, plus by the time
the X-Box is released, I will most likely already have a GF3.  The extra 30%
speed increase they can get by having specially designed components, will be
eaten up very quickly as PCs continue to get faster.

If you didn't have or couldn't afford a top-of-the-range PC, then the
arguments for getting an X-Box or a PS2 are extremely strong, but if you are
committed to PC ownership and prefer PC-type games, there's little to gain
by getting an X-Box.

A few of the obvious weaknesses of the X-Box - not upgradeable, limited
storage space, low tv resolutions, the discomfort of playing in front of a
TV instead of at a desk, games aimed at children, limited memory etc.

The list of things you can do on a PC which will never be possible on the
X-Box is endless - you can use 3DS Max to create your own models, animations
and films, use a massive variety of programming language to create your own
applications, use DirectX and OpenGL to make your own multimedia
applications, demos or even games, run your business with MS Office, design,
create and maintain your own website, manage an e-business, race 1967 F1
cars, record samples and create your own digital music, play System Shock 2
etc.

Also DirectSound3D is only one speaker short of dolby digital.


Haqsa

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by Haqsa » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:27:14

Hmm, so for $300 I get a box with a DVD player and remote, a GF3 and
games that are ALL designed to use it, games that I can truly plug and
play without having to jump on-line and check for patches first, all
that and WSC too?  I'm in!





> > > World Sports Cars ?

> > kidding?

> Nope.

> > > Although I think racing games still will suit the PC best, with
all
> > > the addons/hacks/mods and so on.

> > won't argue with you on that one.  but consoles are still the biz
for
> > those late night drunken binges.  Colin McRay 2 on the PSX is
actually
> > really awesome at four in the morning after a few cases of suitable
> > ***ic beverage with a handful of mates.  these days we have GT3,
> > of course.

> Agreed. I actually considered a PSX a couple of years ago, just so my
> and some mates could play soccer games when drinking. (ouch busted
> too... :)

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Gunnar Horrigm

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by Gunnar Horrigm » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:53:32


> Don't think I'll be getting one.  The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3.  Of
> course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'll be
> enough better to make it worth buying.  

we'll see.  the released preview-videos are far, far, far ahead of
anything we've seen on any PC so far.

you seem to forget a whole bunch of people that want to play console
games.  :)

that may well be a sreangth,

1920x1080 is low tv-resolution?

a common misunderstanding.  it should read "the comfort of playing
from the couch".  besides, nothing'll stop you from playin at your
desk if you want.

bull.

I'll give you one point for that one. :)

yeah.  and the list of things you can do in a real car, which will
never be possible on a PC is equally endless.  who cares?  it's a
_***_ system for chrissakes!

eh?

why is it that so many people think you have to choose between one or
the other?  

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Andrew

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by Andrew » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:15:16


Your CPU may be 40% faster, but is the game you're playing written for your
CPU?  The benefit of the Xbox is that it's a fixed system.  A developer can
take advantage of the entire system.  They don't need to target their game
for Mr and Mrs Smith of Green Bay who only have a 300mhz Celeron with an ATI
Rage.

Simon Brow

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by Simon Brow » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:32:30

Well written games take advantage of whatever hardware is present.


Simon Brow

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by Simon Brow » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:39:49

You may have a TV that can do 1920x1080 but most people don't.  And to get a
TV that can do that res would cost more than a top PC.  A normal tv can do
800*600.

DirectSound3D is 4-speaker.  Dolby Digital is 5.

Not upgradeable is not a strength.  Having a guaranteed feature set is great
for developers, until the hardware becomes outdated.  CPU's double in speed
every 18 months, video card every 12 months.  Any hardware in the X-Box will
soon be out of date.

Also, having a guaranteed feature set is an advantage, but it's not really
that difficult to write program that benefit from whatever hardware is in a
PC.

The games on PS1, PS2, N64 and Dreamcast are definitely not aimed at 25+ so
why should X-Box be any different?  You think anyone would ever make a game
like GPL on the X-Box?

Playing on a couch is not comfortable if you want to use an FF steering
wheel with pedals.



> > Don't think I'll be getting one.  The X-Box will be a P3-700 / GF3.  Of
> > course, it will perform better than a P3-700 / GF3 PC, but I doubt it'll
be
> > enough better to make it worth buying.

> we'll see.  the released preview-videos are far, far, far ahead of
> anything we've seen on any PC so far.

> > If you didn't have or couldn't afford a top-of-the-range PC, then the
> > arguments for getting an X-Box or a PS2 are extremely strong, but if you
are
> > committed to PC ownership and prefer PC-type games, there's little to
gain
> > by getting an X-Box.

> you seem to forget a whole bunch of people that want to play console
> games.  :)

> > A few of the obvious weaknesses of the X-Box - not upgradeable,

> that may well be a sreangth,

> > limited
> > storage space, low tv resolutions,

> 1920x1080 is low tv-resolution?

> > the discomfort of playing in front of a
> > TV instead of at a desk,

> a common misunderstanding.  it should read "the comfort of playing
> from the couch".  besides, nothing'll stop you from playin at your
> desk if you want.

> > games aimed at children,

> bull.

> > limited memory etc.

> I'll give you one point for that one. :)

> > The list of things you can do on a PC which will never be possible on
the
> > X-Box is endless - you can use 3DS Max to create your own models,
animations
> > and films, use a massive variety of programming language to create your
own
> > applications, use DirectX and OpenGL to make your own multimedia
> > applications, demos or even games, run your business with MS Office,
design,
> > create and maintain your own website, manage an e-business, race 1967 F1
> > cars, record samples and create your own digital music, play System
Shock 2
> > etc.

> yeah.  and the list of things you can do in a real car, which will
> never be possible on a PC is equally endless.  who cares?  it's a
> _***_ system for chrissakes!

> > Also DirectSound3D is only one speaker short of dolby digital.

> eh?

> why is it that so many people think you have to choose between one or
> the other?

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>                  "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm?leren v?r."

Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:46:26



>Well written games take advantage of whatever hardware is present.

Do those even EXIST anymore...?  Software bloat rulez... :(

Eldred
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