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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 06:52:01

> The same developers who failed to write any serious simulations for the PS1,
> PS2, Dreamcast and N64 will be making the X-Box games.

> You have to be kidding if you think F355 Challenge is even in the same
> league as GPL or N4.

so you think GPL and N4 is represantive for most PC racing simulators?
they are typical driving games, are they?

where did you get the idea that most XBOX titles will appear on the
PC?

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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:36:35

Both will use the same basic operating system, both will have pc video
subsystem, the port time to move a title from the xbox to a pc would be much
less than taking a PS2 title and porting it to a pc.
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by **Haqsa** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:26:54

I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the
XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move
your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an
SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor.

by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:50:03

Whether they are representative is irrelevant, they are available. F355
Challenge is not representative of console racing games either. Unless Papy
start porting to X-Box, I doubt that quality of sim will be seen, apart from
maybe WSC if that makes it to the X-Box.

As for X-Box titles appearing on PC, obviously 'most' was an exaggeration,
but the PC and X-Box are extremely similar since the X-Box is using Windows,
DirectX 8.1 and a GF3. Joint releases would make economic sense, and ports
will be easier than ever. I think it's fairly likely that major X-Box
titles and anything that sells well will also be seen on the PC.

PC titles appearing on X-Box isn't necessarily as likely though. MS have
said the HDD in the X-Box is only to be used for config files and saves, and
that games shouldn't use more than 50MB. What's that going to mean for
loading times on the X-Box for a PC game that installs 1.5 GB like Diablo 2?
A fairly average PC game installs 600 MB now, loading that data from a CD
instead of a HDD isn't going to be much fun.

Anyway, that's not the point I was making. All I was saying is that if
you've already invested in and need a fast PC, unless you've got more money
than sense there doesn't seem to be any great reason to get an X-Box. I
bought a Dreamcast and some of the top games for it, and I never use it now.
The games have less depth when compared to the top PC titles.

by **Thom j** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:10:50

Hey Dave H watch the "older gamer" shit! Grrrrrrrr :o)~

| Dammit Eldred...now you are going to incite the *** buffs.
| Bringing GPL into the thread again.
| btw...there are pleny of PC games aimed at older audiences. Both
| experienced gamers(racing sims/ flight sims/ war games, masive mulitplayer
| games like Ultima Online) and the non experienced older gamers...(bass
| fishing, Bambi hunter, the Vegas type games, the tyle type games...etc)
| dave (over 40 and still a kid)henrie

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by **Klin** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:08:05

> > ...but of course I race all my sims in bed!! Yep bed {don't ask, its
> >a long boring story} and you should see my home'made wooden
> > box setup tho'.. Its great! :o)

Hah! Good one!

And if you think it's already hard enough to convince your girlfriend/wife
of the importance of late night sim practice, imagine what that set up would
bring: "Honey, I know it's 1 am, but I have to take a few more runs down the
course. Maybe you could sleep on the couch."

...Klinn

by **Eldre** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:38:48

>I read somewhere that there will be different modules available for the
>XBox that provide any kind of A/V hookup imaginable. So you don't move
>your TV at all, when you want to play at your desk you just plug in an
>SVGA module and hook it up to a computer monitor.

>> You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV?
>> Either way sounds like a pain.

And this will help how? You still have the same problem of having the TV in a
viewable area. Consider most people have their TVs away from the computer
desk, it still won't work. You'd have your body facing the desk(to steer and
work the pedals), but your head would be turned to look at the game on the TV.
That doesn't sound very comfortable to me...

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by **Thom j** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:22:34

I have 3 empty bedrooms + this one! Better then any No-Tell Motel
I know of.. hahaha :-)

| Hah! Good one!
|
| And if you think it's already hard enough to convince your girlfriend/wife
| of the importance of late night sim practice, imagine what that set up
would
| bring: "Honey, I know it's 1 am, but I have to take a few more runs down
the
| course. Maybe you could sleep on the couch."
|
| ...Klinn

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by **ymenar** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:39:30

> Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is??

I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :)

Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeee we
go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below, you'll
understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :)

http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html

On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics?
Bunch of crazy freaks!

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by **Thom j** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:49:59

"O" yea I've seen these for years in the Olympics and good 'ole
World Of Sports. I mis-read the word "luge" at first.. I thought
it said "leuge" and wasnt sure what the "H" it was??
Btw: I don't race laying flat in the bed I prop myself up agianst
my wall that is across the one side of the bed.. :-)

|
| I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :)
|
| Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeee
we
| go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below,
you'll
| understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :)
|
| http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html
|
|
| On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics?
| Bunch of crazy freaks!
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| -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>

| > Bill and Ben" may I ask what a "luge sim" is??

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by **Bill and Ben, the flower pot men** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:18:36

Bob-sleds.

by **Bill and Ben, the flower pot men** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:20:55

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:39:30 -0400, "ymenard"

>I don't live in flower pots, but anyway I'll answer :)

>Luge is a winter sport, it's an Olympic sport. You know... "weeeeeeeeee we
>go down the slope". It's just that if you check out the site below, you'll
>understand why your bed position would be great for such a sim :)

>http://www.saltlake2002.com/ats/lg/lg_index.html

>On another note, they are bringing back skeleton luge to the Olympics?
>Bunch of crazy freaks!

I was watching "Ripley's Believe it or Not" last night and this guy
attached rockets to his street luge and was clocked going over 90mph.

by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:30:59

> N4 and GPL are both serious motor racing simulations on the PC.

I know, but they are the only one too, so historically it really
doesn't look good for PC either.

The first question contradict yourself. If N4 could run fine on the
X-Box, which I believe it will. And I will argue with history, because
I'm a research scientist, and if I only believed in history we
wouldn't make much progress. The X-box is a new consept in consoles
with pc like possibilites so you never know.

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:25:01

> Whether they are representative is irrelevant, they are available. F355
> Challenge is not representative of console racing games either.

ok. you got me there. :)

it's all about the games, man. that it has a lot of things in common
witha PC shouldn't be relevant for the end user.

well, the DC fell on it's face. a damned shame. so much potential
and there are only 200-300 games for it.

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:26:35

> >it can be. still, moving the thing to your desk isn't exactle a full
> >days work.

> You move your TV to the desk or put the desk in front of the TV?
> Either way sounds like a pain.

uh yeah, I move the desk and the TV, 'coz that 3-pound console is just
to heavy to lift.

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