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Save race feature's gone?

Lee Buchana

Save race feature's gone?

by Lee Buchana » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:02:49

Is it true that you can't save during a race? Did Papyrus think they'd
gotten too soft on gamers in N3? I have a life, maybe two or three, and I
sure don't have time to toil at the wheel for three or four hours at a time.
Tim

Save race feature's gone?

by Tim » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:59:15

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:02:49 GMT, "Lee Buchanan"


>Is it true that you can't save during a race? Did Papyrus think they'd
>gotten too soft on gamers in N3? I have a life, maybe two or three, and I
>sure don't have time to toil at the wheel for three or four hours at a time.

It's true. The game is still a blast, and I've taken to running
shorter races of under an hour in duration.
I actually find myself getting uncomfortable in my computer chair and
my legs getting tired after about 45 minutes anyway. =8^/

Tim

ymenar

Save race feature's gone?

by ymenar » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:57:07


> Is it true that you can't save during a race? Did Papyrus think they'd
> gotten too soft on gamers in N3? I have a life, maybe two or three, and I
> sure don't have time to toil at the wheel for three or four hours at a

time.

Then you can always do shorter races...

Seriously, do we need the same debate EACH time Papyrus released their
NASCAR game without a save-game feature? It's been what, 5times now?

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Wosc

Save race feature's gone?

by Wosc » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:36:43

That is why they have an option to run less than a full race!  Isn't that a
weird concept, making your races shorter!

JB


Jagg

Save race feature's gone?

by Jagg » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:39:22



Five times now? Hmmm...N3 has save a save race feature so why the hell
not N4? Yes, we are going to have this dispute everytime if you insist
on being arrogant about what other people wish for in a racing sim.
Let them be heard. They have a bonafide issue.

ymenar

Save race feature's gone?

by ymenar » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:25:36


> Five times now?

Yes, IIRC all of Papyrus's sim OUT OF THE BOX didn't have a save game, so if
had any r.a.s. experience you would know that we have the same ***ing each
time, the same boring debate.

No.  It's all a matter of demand vs offer.  They bought N4, then after they
whine about the save game feature. Well fellows, if you need so much the
save game, WHY did you buy N4.  The developper choose to not have one, it's
their decision.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Cliff Roma

Save race feature's gone?

by Cliff Roma » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:15:51

Frank, that is a sorry argument

First.. N3 DID have a save game feature out of the box

Second.. there is no game that is going to be perfect for anyone as it is.
That would be impossible.. everyone has different tastes.  If someone buys a
game and they think it should have something, it is their right to express
their concern or "wish list" to this group and to the company that made the
game.  How do you think they learn what the public wants?

You have a car Frank? Is EVERYTHING in that car Exactly like you would want
your dream car?  Perfect color?  If you designed your own dash is it exactly
like it is in your car?  If you could have any stereo system in the world,
would you pick the one that came with your car?  Of course there is
something you would rather have different.  So why did you buy it Frank?



> > Five times now?

> Yes, IIRC all of Papyrus's sim OUT OF THE BOX didn't have a save game, so
if
> had any r.a.s. experience you would know that we have the same ***ing
each
> time, the same boring debate.

> > They have a bonafide issue.

> No.  It's all a matter of demand vs offer.  They bought N4, then after
they
> whine about the save game feature. Well fellows, if you need so much the
> save game, WHY did you buy N4.  The developper choose to not have one,
it's
> their decision.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Ronald Stoeh

Save race feature's gone?

by Ronald Stoeh » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:35:34



> > Five times now?

snip

> No.  It's all a matter of demand vs offer.  They bought N4, then after they
> whine about the save game feature. Well fellows, if you need so much the
> save game, WHY did you buy N4.  The developper choose to not have one, it's
> their decision.

Oh please. I don't think there was a sticker on the box saying:
"If you don't want to drive 3 hour races, don't buy it.
 This is the real thing, we don't need no stinking save game!"

Anyhow, are you suggesting we shouldn't complain about things we don't
like in sims? Fat chance... ;)

--
l8er
ronny

Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
to take effect. Reboot now?
          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

ymenar

Save race feature's gone?

by ymenar » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:50:22


Well ya I wrote "IIRC" because I wasn't sure.

So then it's 4times on 5 (N1,N2,NR99.N4) that people whine about it.  The
debate is pointless because Papyrus knows everything about a save game, it's
fully their decision.  Don't buy it then whine it's not there, you should
had known.

My truck is perfect for my needs.  I don't need anything more.  I go from
point A to point B.  Everything else is irrelevant.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Cliff Roma

Save race feature's gone?

by Cliff Roma » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:59:11

Nice dancing Frank



> My truck is perfect for my needs.  I don't need anything more.  I go from
> point A to point B.  Everything else is irrelevant.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Don Burnett

Save race feature's gone?

by Don Burnett » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:02:04

I would think implementing a save game feature in N4 would be extremely
complicated, just thinking about all the positional data for all the cars
having to be saved at  that moment in time to be recalled upon at a later
time. Heat did not have it either right?
Myself, I could care less for a save game as I typically just run 50% races
offline, but realize probably a lot of folks would prefer to run 100% races
and have the ability to save it and finish later.
Papy has always listened to folks in the past, so it wouldn't suprise me if
enough people ask that they tried to add a save game to the sim.
Interestingly enough, folks were more vocal about not having the save game
in N2 than I have seen in N4.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.




> >Then you can always do shorter races...

> >Seriously, do we need the same debate EACH time Papyrus released their
> >NASCAR game without a save-game feature? It's been what, 5times now?

> Five times now? Hmmm...N3 has save a save race feature so why the hell
> not N4? Yes, we are going to have this dispute everytime if you insist
> on being arrogant about what other people wish for in a racing sim.
> Let them be heard. They have a bonafide issue.

Jim Bonewal

Save race feature's gone?

by Jim Bonewal » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:02:51

NR1 had the save game feature"OUT OF THE BOX". That is why the debate
started when NR2 did not have it and it was added in a patch. NR3 had it
"OUT OF THE BOX". If you do not like the debating, then stay out of it.



> > Five times now?

> Yes, IIRC all of Papyrus's sim OUT OF THE BOX didn't have a save game, so
if
> had any r.a.s. experience you would know that we have the same ***ing
each
> time, the same boring debate.

> > They have a bonafide issue.

> No.  It's all a matter of demand vs offer.  They bought N4, then after
they
> whine about the save game feature. Well fellows, if you need so much the
> save game, WHY did you buy N4.  The developper choose to not have one,
it's
> their decision.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Cliff Roma

Save race feature's gone?

by Cliff Roma » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:11:05

Don, how much harder would it be to implement it in N4 than in N3?  Maybe
there is a reason it would be harder, but I would think it would be about
the same.

The only thing I did not like about saving a race in N3 was that when you
went back to the race you could easily blow your engine since it would rev
up really high until it figured out what was going on.

Personally, I did use the save feature in N3.  Especially during
championships.  Sure.. people say "run shorter races", but that does not
help anything if you are running a race and all of a sudden your wife needs
you or your son starts crying and you can not finish the race that night.

I am not complaining either way.. but if I had my choice of it being there
or not being there, I would choose to have it available


> I would think implementing a save game feature in N4 would be extremely
> complicated, just thinking about all the positional data for all the cars
> having to be saved at  that moment in time to be recalled upon at a later
> time. Heat did not have it either right?
> Myself, I could care less for a save game as I typically just run 50%
races
> offline, but realize probably a lot of folks would prefer to run 100%
races
> and have the ability to save it and finish later.
> Papy has always listened to folks in the past, so it wouldn't suprise me
if
> enough people ask that they tried to add a save game to the sim.
> Interestingly enough, folks were more vocal about not having the save game
> in N2 than I have seen in N4.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.





> > >Then you can always do shorter races...

> > >Seriously, do we need the same debate EACH time Papyrus released their
> > >NASCAR game without a save-game feature? It's been what, 5times now?

> > Five times now? Hmmm...N3 has save a save race feature so why the hell
> > not N4? Yes, we are going to have this dispute everytime if you insist
> > on being arrogant about what other people wish for in a racing sim.
> > Let them be heard. They have a bonafide issue.

Don Burnett

Save race feature's gone?

by Don Burnett » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:13:24

If I am not mistaken, the only 2 Nascar sims by Papy that did not come with
save game out of the box, were N2 and N4.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.


> NR1 had the save game feature"OUT OF THE BOX". That is why the debate
> started when NR2 did not have it and it was added in a patch. NR3 had it
> "OUT OF THE BOX". If you do not like the debating, then stay out of it.




> > > Five times now?

> > Yes, IIRC all of Papyrus's sim OUT OF THE BOX didn't have a save game,
so
> if
> > had any r.a.s. experience you would know that we have the same ***ing
> each
> > time, the same boring debate.

> > > They have a bonafide issue.

> > No.  It's all a matter of demand vs offer.  They bought N4, then after
> they
> > whine about the save game feature. Well fellows, if you need so much the
> > save game, WHY did you buy N4.  The developper choose to not have one,
> it's
> > their decision.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise
how
> > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Don Burnett

Save race feature's gone?

by Don Burnett » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:23:41

Correction, should be difference in physics between N3/N4

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.


> Obviously just my opinion - I would have to think it would be considerable
> Certainly I am no programmer, but just seems to me with the difference in
> physics between N2/3 it would be considerably more complicated.


> > Don, how much harder would it be to implement it in N4 than in N3?
Maybe
> > there is a reason it would be harder, but I would think it would be
about
> > the same.

> > The only thing I did not like about saving a race in N3 was that when
you
> > went back to the race you could easily blow your engine since it would
rev
> > up really high until it figured out what was going on.

> > Personally, I did use the save feature in N3.  Especially during
> > championships.  Sure.. people say "run shorter races", but that does not
> > help anything if you are running a race and all of a sudden your wife
> needs
> > you or your son starts crying and you can not finish the race that
night.

> > I am not complaining either way.. but if I had my choice of it being
there
> > or not being there, I would choose to have it available



> > > I would think implementing a save game feature in N4 would be
extremely
> > > complicated, just thinking about all the positional data for all the
> cars
> > > having to be saved at  that moment in time to be recalled upon at a
> later
> > > time. Heat did not have it either right?
> > > Myself, I could care less for a save game as I typically just run 50%
> > races
> > > offline, but realize probably a lot of folks would prefer to run 100%
> > races
> > > and have the ability to save it and finish later.
> > > Papy has always listened to folks in the past, so it wouldn't suprise
me
> > if
> > > enough people ask that they tried to add a save game to the sim.
> > > Interestingly enough, folks were more vocal about not having the save
> game
> > > in N2 than I have seen in N4.

> > > --
> > > Don Burnette
> > > D Burnette in N4

> > > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > > And THAT is wrong.



> > > > On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:07 GMT, "ymenard"


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> > > > >Then you can always do shorter races...

> > > > >Seriously, do we need the same debate EACH time Papyrus released
> their
> > > > >NASCAR game without a save-game feature? It's been what, 5times
now?

> > > > Five times now? Hmmm...N3 has save a save race feature so why the
hell
> > > > not N4? Yes, we are going to have this dispute everytime if you
insist
> > > > on being arrogant about what other people wish for in a racing sim.
> > > > Let them be heard. They have a bonafide issue.


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