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RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

Mitch_

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Mitch_ » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:10:27

Personally I won't have time to turn any laps with any other setups and its
already pretty late in the week for a change.  I can adjust to the other
setup if required though.

Mitch



> I had just sat down to search some sites for a better setup for this
track,
> and then I saw this. :-)

> I'm absolutely positive this is a better setup. Better through the turns
> (less understeer), better under braking, easier to drive, and also faster.
> You can push harder and throw the car around more than you can with the
> leblanc setup. I managed a 159.5, which was an immeditate drop of 1.5
> seconds off my my best time with the other.

> I also noticed the tire wear seems less, and the temps aren't an issue.

> RASCAR drivers should try out the setup and then post your thoughts to
this
> thread as soon as possible.

> Get the setup here. http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Thanks Joachim!

> David G Fisher

> BTW, I'm going to take some motion sickness pills before I race on Sat.
This
> track is bumpy enough that I start feeling a little lightheaded after 10
> laps or so. :-p




> > > If there's any complaints about this setup (LeBlanc70), let's hear
them
> now
> > > because tomorrow would be the absolutely last day to make any changes.

> > > Also, what times have you been seeing with this setup? I tried this
> track
> > > for the first time today. Started out with a 2:07, and finished with a
> 2:01.
> > > I don't have a reference for what a good time would be though.

> > Since I just can't help but accepting a challenge ;) I've made a setup
> > for Sebring, meant to be relatively stable.

> > I've done a couple of 1:58's with it at 70o Clear with half a tank of
> > fuel on board... so if anyone wants to try... ;)

> > Achim

Steve Blankenshi

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Steve Blankenshi » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:58:53


> Still can Jo/Steve.  Im sure it was left that way to help accomadate all
the
> many controllers.

> Mitch




> > > ...As fixed setup races don't allow you to
> > > modify the ratio

> > Haven't tried it recently, but AFAIR the steering ratio usually could
> > still be adjusted even with fixed setups?

> > Achim

Thanks for the clarification guys - my mistake.  Can think of a few times it
would've been good to know that... ;-)
Larr

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Larr » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:37:32

2.07's after about 30 min practice.

After updating to the 4.10 Catalysts, the c-to-d _seems_ to have gone away.

-Larry


Larr

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Larr » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:38:04

Yes, you can adjust the steering ratio in fixed setups (thank goodness!).

-Larry



> > ...As fixed setup races don't allow you to
> > modify the ratio

> Haven't tried it recently, but AFAIR the steering ratio usually could
> still be adjusted even with fixed setups?

> Achim

Larr

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Larr » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:42:42

If we are going to do this without having proven setups, and have to deal
with this each week, then we should just run open setups for the rest of the
TA sessions.

This has GOT to get better.

-Larry


> Personally I won't have time to turn any laps with any other setups and
its
> already pretty late in the week for a change.  I can adjust to the other
> setup if required though.

> Mitch



> > I had just sat down to search some sites for a better setup for this
> track,
> > and then I saw this. :-)

> > I'm absolutely positive this is a better setup. Better through the turns
> > (less understeer), better under braking, easier to drive, and also
faster.
> > You can push harder and throw the car around more than you can with the
> > leblanc setup. I managed a 159.5, which was an immeditate drop of 1.5
> > seconds off my my best time with the other.

> > I also noticed the tire wear seems less, and the temps aren't an issue.

> > RASCAR drivers should try out the setup and then post your thoughts to
> this
> > thread as soon as possible.

> > Get the setup here. http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html

> > Thanks Joachim!

> > David G Fisher

> > BTW, I'm going to take some motion sickness pills before I race on Sat.
> This
> > track is bumpy enough that I start feeling a little lightheaded after 10
> > laps or so. :-p




> > > > If there's any complaints about this setup (LeBlanc70), let's hear
> them
> > now
> > > > because tomorrow would be the absolutely last day to make any
changes.

> > > > Also, what times have you been seeing with this setup? I tried this
> > track
> > > > for the first time today. Started out with a 2:07, and finished with
a
> > 2:01.
> > > > I don't have a reference for what a good time would be though.

> > > Since I just can't help but accepting a challenge ;) I've made a setup
> > > for Sebring, meant to be relatively stable.

> > > I've done a couple of 1:58's with it at 70o Clear with half a tank of
> > > fuel on board... so if anyone wants to try... ;)

> > > Achim

Larr

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Larr » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:45:01

BTW....

For those of you running under 2 min lap times, tell me (and be honest :)),
just how much are you chopping off the last right-hander before the finish
line?

I can't help but think the real track has some kind of barrier here to stop
this.

-Larry


> >>IMHO<<

> If we are going to do this without having proven setups, and have to deal
> with this each week, then we should just run open setups for the rest of
the
> TA sessions.

> This has GOT to get better.

> -Larry



> > Personally I won't have time to turn any laps with any other setups and
> its
> > already pretty late in the week for a change.  I can adjust to the other
> > setup if required though.

> > Mitch



> > > I had just sat down to search some sites for a better setup for this
> > track,
> > > and then I saw this. :-)

> > > I'm absolutely positive this is a better setup. Better through the
turns
> > > (less understeer), better under braking, easier to drive, and also
> faster.
> > > You can push harder and throw the car around more than you can with
the
> > > leblanc setup. I managed a 159.5, which was an immeditate drop of 1.5
> > > seconds off my my best time with the other.

> > > I also noticed the tire wear seems less, and the temps aren't an
issue.

> > > RASCAR drivers should try out the setup and then post your thoughts to
> > this
> > > thread as soon as possible.

> > > Get the setup here. http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html

> > > Thanks Joachim!

> > > David G Fisher

> > > BTW, I'm going to take some motion sickness pills before I race on
Sat.
> > This
> > > track is bumpy enough that I start feeling a little lightheaded after
10
> > > laps or so. :-p




> > > > > If there's any complaints about this setup (LeBlanc70), let's hear
> > them
> > > now
> > > > > because tomorrow would be the absolutely last day to make any
> changes.

> > > > > Also, what times have you been seeing with this setup? I tried
this
> > > track
> > > > > for the first time today. Started out with a 2:07, and finished
with
> a
> > > 2:01.
> > > > > I don't have a reference for what a good time would be though.

> > > > Since I just can't help but accepting a challenge ;) I've made a
setup
> > > > for Sebring, meant to be relatively stable.

> > > > I've done a couple of 1:58's with it at 70o Clear with half a tank
of
> > > > fuel on board... so if anyone wants to try... ;)

> > > > Achim

Jan Verschuere

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:56:01

It handles better than the other one, though I liked that one's gearing
better. Might be that I'm underusing it as I'm still only down to 2m06s, but
I'm only able to snatch 6th briefly from time to time.

Jan.
=---

mcewe

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by mcewe » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:58:07

Don't go there ;)

Haqsa

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Haqsa » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:11:46

Watching the Sebring video at the link posted in the "Awesome onboard vids"
thread helped a lot.  I still have a bit of trouble with the same corners
but I am starting to get it.  Finally got under 2:10.


Brian Farme

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Brian Farme » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:35:06



My $0.02

Practiced about 2 hrs last nite w/ Eric's setup (leblanc70), & went from
2:10 to 2:02, & a best of 2:01.7...  thought that was pretty good.  Then
read this thread & saw that Achim had made a setup for Sebring, & was
turning 1:56.  Oh well  ;o(

Time to d/l a new setup.  Dave says it's pretty good, & he liked the RA
setup, too.

This just shows how different driving styles like different setups, 'cause
while I could go faster w/ Achim's setup (2:00.395), it was less stable &
forgiving (for me).  Overall, I am slower w/ this one than w/ the original,
& that surprised me, because I really *liked* his setup ("fast") for RA, &
most didn't.

Funny thing was, after being frustrated for over an hr, I tried the original
(leblanc70) setup again, & within 3 laps did a 1:59.9  *only* ~3 sec off
Achim's pace, & ~.5 off Dave's.

That said, if others think it's better & we go w/Achim's, I can live with
it.

-Brian

Joachim Trens

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:42:52


> For those of you running under 2 min lap times, tell me (and be honest :)),
> just how much are you chopping off the last right-hander before the finish
> line?

http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html

Achim

Joachim Trens

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:44:06


> It handles better than the other one, though I liked that one's gearing
> better. Might be that I'm underusing it as I'm still only down to 2m06s, but
> I'm only able to snatch 6th briefly from time to time.

Hi Jan,

I made the gears a tad longer to make sure there are no blown engines.
You could just reduce the final ratio by a click, probably.

Achim

Joachim Trens

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:04:14


> Practiced about 2 hrs last nite w/ Eric's setup (leblanc70), & went from
> 2:10 to 2:02, & a best of 2:01.7...  thought that was pretty good.  Then
> read this thread & saw that Achim had made a setup for Sebring, & was
> turning 1:56.  Oh well  ;o(

> Time to d/l a new setup.  Dave says it's pretty good, & he liked the RA
> setup, too.

> This just shows how different driving styles like different setups, 'cause
> while I could go faster w/ Achim's setup (2:00.395), it was less stable &
> forgiving (for me).  Overall, I am slower w/ this one than w/ the original,
> & that surprised me, because I really *liked* his setup ("fast") for RA, &
> most didn't.

> Funny thing was, after being frustrated for over an hr, I tried the original
> (leblanc70) setup again, & within 3 laps did a 1:59.9  *only* ~3 sec off
> Achim's pace, & ~.5 off Dave's.

> That said, if others think it's better & we go w/Achim's, I can live with
> it.

:)

The feedback I got for my Cup car RC setups (which were tweaked for
stability), was ~90% 'nice and stable, good setup', and ~10% 'a bit
understeering, I like it a tad more lose'.

Then people started asking for the setups I'm using myself, so when the
TA physics came, from the second batch on I uploaded the setups I was
using myself.

Since then, the feedback has been ~70% 'I can't drive them' versus ~30%
'yep good setups' <g>

Now I started a little Poll on my website regarding what type of setups
people want, and the votes I'm getting are ~66% in favour of me
continuing to upload the 'lose' setups versus ~33% in favour of setups
tweaked for stability :)

Confusing :)

Achim

Jan Verschuere

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:06:01

Do you think there's a danger of that? -I've only done two 20-minute session
so far, so I haven't had any trouble, but even with your settings the rev
counter idiot light flickers a lot as I accellerate up through the gears
(bumps). Also there's two places where I run into that range on purpose
instead of briefly selecting a higher gear before a braking zone.

Jan.
=---

Joachim Trens

RASCAR Sebring Setup--Comments, Times?

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:33:07


> "Joachim Trensz" wrote...

>>I made the gears a tad longer to make sure there
>>are no blown engines.  You could just reduce the
>>final ratio by a click, probably.

> Do you think there's a danger of that? -I've only done two 20-minute session
> so far, so I haven't had any trouble, but even with your settings the rev
> counter idiot light flickers a lot as I accellerate up through the gears
> (bumps). Also there's two places where I run into that range on purpose
> instead of briefly selecting a higher gear before a braking zone.

I don't have any race experience at Sebring, but I felt it's better to
be safe than sorry, especially since longer gears don't increase the
laptimes at this track. My 1:56 was done with these longer gears.

I've also set the tape to 65 although 70 worked well in testing, for the
same reason - I wanted a safety margin.

Achim


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