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*1963 - The height of the 1.5 litre formula. The cars should drive similarly
to the GP2 cars in GPL (that is, easier than the 400 hp monsters of 1967).
This is also the year of Jim Clark's first championship and the classic
Lotus 25 (probably the best looking GP car ever). Other drivers include
Graham Hill, Phil Hill, and John Surtees. A great year.

I know i wouldnt.  Unless u can save midrace like in GP2.

But as far as GPL2 goes i think 1976, 1957, and 1963 are good ideas.

However, i think maybe 1958-60 would be even more interresting.  The middle of
the transfer from front to rear engines and in 58  they had 11  tracks
(includinh Indy)  which gives you a good ammount of venues.  One of the more
interresting tracks would be the last race in Moracco.  A track only used once
for GP racing.

If that sim comes from Papy, you won't be able to save the race, but
you can switch with another driver doing approx. 2 hr stints. ;)
Everything else would be unrea

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The hard part would be picking which year to model.  I think you would
have to have both Jim Hall and Bruce McLaren, so that would limit it to
1966-68 (Hall retired as a driver after the 1968 season following his
terrible accident at the season finale in Las Vegas, and McLaren died
testing his Can-Am car a few days before the start of the 1970 season).
1966 was the first year of Can-Am and the McLaren team weren't yet the
force they would quickly become.  John Surtees was the champion in a
Lola.  McLaren and Chris Amon drove for the McLaren team.  Jim Hall was
partnered by former F1 champion Phil Hill in the revolutionary winged
Chaparrals.  Other drivers included Mark Donohue and Dan Gurney. The
only drawbacks - only six races, team McLaren wasn't so *** (which
might not be a bad thing for game play but isn't as representative as a
typical Can-Am year of the period).

1967 would be a good year, but I suspect Papyrus might be reluctant to
have another sim based on the same year as GPL.  Although it might be an
interesting comparison of cars of that year (both series raced at
Mosport and Watkins Glen (or was the Glen added in 1968, my books are at
home and I'm at work)). This year was the beginning of the Bruce and
Denny Show for McLaren.  Hall was still racing, but Chaparral only had
one entry (the second car having been totaled by Hap Sharpe in Nassau
during an off season race).

1968 was very similar to 1967 - McLaren ***, occasional flashes of
brilliance from the Chaparral (marred by unreliability).  More races
were added.

1969 - the Bruce and Denny show continues.  Hall has retired but John
Surtees is now driving for Chaparral (the very odd 2H - see through
doors, very poor front visibility, the one Chaparral which was a
disaster).

1970 - Bruce McLaren has just died.  Dan Gurney briefly replaced him at
McLaren.  Denny Hulme continues to dominate.  The incredible Chaparral
2J (the Ground Effects Vehicle or just plain "Sucker") driven by Jackie
Stewart for one race and Vic Elford for the other races they entered.
This car rarely finished a race but was incredibly fast before it
broke.  This was similar to the Lotus 49 (but even more extreme) - by
far the fastest car but even more unreliable.  I can see the hotlappers
eating this one up.

After this year, the spirit of the series really changed.  The other
teams got the Chaparral banned, which Hulme later admitted was a huge
mistake. The Can-Am was no longer a "formula libre".  Sure, there were
some great, incredibly powerful cars that came along later - the
Porsches, Ferraris, Shadows - but the glory days were over and the
series was in decline.

What do you other Can-Am fans think?  What year would you pick?  I think
I would go with 1967.

Dave Ewing

Frenchman Pierre Levegh drove Le Mans alone until 1952, where he
nearly won against Mercedes, but he overrev'd his engine after 22
hours.

Le Mans would be great in online races, with pit stops and driver
changes - someone in a international team should be awake and be able
to take over the car for the next stint.

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  Any Can Am season with McClaren's and Chaparralls gets my vote...Wings..ya
gotta luv em!
dave henrie

Of course, with the new game engine, it is theoritically (sp?) possible to
do what you want.  It's similar to the old game engine.  You had Icr2/N1/N2
converters.  The same will happen with the new generation of Papyrus
software using the game engine.  The file structure has been pretty much
understood for GPL, since the track editors have way more experience than
just back 1 or 2years ago.

I don't think it was be as easy to Drag and drop a track (well, there is
stuff like color palettes, different file structure inside the *.dat and txt
files), but I can easily see a N3/GPL converter.

And I know Papyrus likes that. Makes GPL guys to buy N3 and N3 guys to buy
GPL ;-)

Can you imagine the 'Ring with a stock-car ?  Or the New Sears Point with a
Loti ? hah !

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I vote for 70 because of the diversity in design (ie.- The Chapperal 2J or
"sucker" car).  67 would be my second choice though but i think the Glen was
added in 68.  I could be wrong though.  

I do not know the expected/realised market shares of simulators between
Europe and Americas, but my vote would anyhow go to some period of F1's
instead of an all American series. Perhaps those turbo charged winged
monsters of 80's, the days when we had the previous Finnish champion,
Keke Rosberg... I read some months ago, how he was driving 4 wheel slide in
the last turn of Hockenheim...

That period of car physics would certainly be a challenge to the clever
programmers of Papyrus...

Arto

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wasn't the St Jovite track in good-old Pitstop for the Commodore 64???

Han

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Btw, if a track editor for GPL ever makes reality, I make a promess this
track will be modeled in GPL.  It was the host of the 68 and 70 Formula 1
GP.

I got some good accurate maps at home + some photos... (and I raced there).

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