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Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

Jeff Salzma

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Jeff Salzma » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00

        But a law condoning insurance company ripoffs and tax collection under
the guise of breaking a 'law' is?? Wake up.

Tigre

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Tigre » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00



While I hate the speed limit laws, I have to agree with  Lloyd here.
Stupid and useless yes, evil, no.

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Leonard Lauri

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Leonard Lauri » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00








>>: : : >
>>: : : >And just because you disagree with a law does not give you the right
>>: : : >to break it.  If you disagree with it, try to get it changed!  I think
>>: : : >speeding laws are ridiculous too, but if I get stopped I say yes sir

>    This thread does not belong in rec.autos.antique.  Please direct
>    your followups elsewhere.

it doesn't belong in any of these groups....

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Mark Braue

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Mark Braue » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00

(SNIP)

Not neccessarily.  The danger is in not keeping with the flow of traffic
by either going too fast or too slow.  The speed limits for the
interstate and interstate-like highways around here (Denver, CO) are set
at 55; outside of urban areas it is 65.  Thanks to the recent and large
influx of Californians (actually, I don't mind this particular driving
habit, 8-)), going the speed limit is actually MORE dangerous than going
with the traffic flow, about 10 to 20 mph faster.

I agree.  Let's get the speed limits to reflect the actual speeds being
driven.

Mark Brauer  Crunched 1973 SAAB Sonett III

Mark Braue

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Mark Braue » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00


(BIG SNIP)

Yeah!  Let's start filling our already crowded prisons with people who
don't have car insurance!  Those are REAL criminals!

Mark Brauer   Crunched 1973 SAAB Sonett III

Frank Filipanits

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Frank Filipanits » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00



>>Any legislators reading this, how about adding serious jail time to the
>>penalty for driving without insurance?  Maybe incarceration in a prison
>>with lots of big ugly felons would make an impression on Matthew!
>Yeah!  Let's start filling our already crowded prisons with people who
>don't have car insurance!  Those are REAL criminals!

Last year I was hit by an uninsured driver.

My insurance was around $3000 short of the actual repair cost for my car.
Because _his_ only income is federal aid, I have no monetary recourse.

My face was also nicely rearranged by my steering wheel, resulting in
two dozen stitches to put my lip back together and several weeks of
excruciating pain.

Had he stolen $3000 in cash from me, that's grand theft.
Had he physically beaten me with his fist, that's ***.

Both punishable by jail time.

Because he used a car, it's a suspended license.

You show me where the justice is in that.

Then you can tell me driving without insurance isn't criminal.

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Brian varin

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Brian varin » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00




> >Sorry, it's not.  Evil laws are ones like segregation and slavery. To
> >suggest a speed limit law is evil is ludicrous!

> While I hate the speed limit laws, I have to agree with  Lloyd here.
> Stupid and useless yes, evil, no.

Depends where you live, we used to have fines that *started* at $350, I'd
call that pretty evil. How about $512 for no front plate, $89-Jaywalking.
herb

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by herb » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00

No need to fill anything up with criminals.  A $.50 bullet will do nicely!

Matthew T. Russot

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Matthew T. Russot » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00





}>>Any legislators reading this, how about adding serious jail time to the
}>>penalty for driving without insurance?  Maybe incarceration in a prison
}>>with lots of big ugly felons would make an impression on Matthew!
}
}>Yeah!  Let's start filling our already crowded prisons with people who
}>don't have car insurance!  Those are REAL criminals!
}Last year I was hit by an uninsured driver.
}My insurance was around $3000 short of the actual repair cost for my car.
}Because _his_ only income is federal aid, I have no monetary recourse.
}My face was also nicely rearranged by my steering wheel, resulting in
}two dozen stitches to put my lip back together and several weeks of
}excruciating pain.
}Had he stolen $3000 in cash from me, that's grand theft.
}Had he physically beaten me with his fist, that's ***.
}Both punishable by jail time.
}Because he used a car, it's a suspended license.

Because it was negligence and not willful misconduct, it wasn't a
criminal offense and there's no jail time.  Had he deliberately hit
you with his car, it would have been *** with a deadly weapon and
he could have gone to jail.  Even if he could afford to pay for the damage.

There ain't no justice.  With insurance costs being what they are, there
can be no justice.  When I drove uninsured, it was because I couldn't
find a company willing to write me -- I was dumped into the ***ly
expensive high-risk pool.

Of course it is criminal.  The state defines it as such.  But when I
was driving without insurance, I didn't hit anyone.  Were I to hit
someone now, most likely their repair bill would exceed my insurance
limit ($5000).  His bodily injury would not be in any way reduced
because I have insurance.
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Antti Tirron

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Antti Tirron » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00






>}
>}: >2) no compulsory insurance? then if i happend to be hit by someone who
>}: >has no money and no insurance i am SOL????
>}: Could be!  If you didn't have uninsured motorist insurance or money in
>}: the bank to affect repairs.  But what is the difference with compulsory
>}: insurance?  You can still get hit by someone with no money or insurance,
>}: only now you also have increased premiums!  In addition, the mentality
>}I have uninsured motorist insurance--this insurance covers someone
>}driving *my* car without having insurance themselves.  It has nothing to
>}do with an uninsured driver colliding with my car.
>Then your state has odd insurance terminology.  In most states,
>"uninsured motorist insurance" means your insurance company pays for
>damage done by an uninsured driver colliding with your car.

In CA, only if you can identify the other driver, i.e. make him/her stop
and give you the personal info without getting shot at first ;-)
For a hit and run you need something else.

Yes, there is no protection from irresponsible people. Therefore the 3
strikes law should apply to these people as well!! Idiots who don't behave
needs to be put away for good, so decent citizens can enjoy the society :-)

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herb

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by herb » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00

You are a ***ing idiot.  What has breaking the speed limit got to do with
endangering other people.  Have you ever seen a section of road have the
speed limit was changed?  Say from 35 to 40.  So yesterday when I was
going 36 in the NOW posted 40, I was endangering somebody?  Pull your head
out buddy,  there's a BIG difference between breaking the law and
endangering people.

herb

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by herb » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Then why have you been posting to it so many times. Go away.

Roger M. Wilc

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Roger M. Wilc » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00



Minor nitpick here:

Unless you're talking about allowing supersonic flights over land,
increased aircraft speeds -- particularly in a busy airport's traffic
pattern -- tend to INCREASE aircraft safety, not decrease it.  One
of the things air traffic controllers do when an airport starts to get a
lot of air traffic is to ask the pilots to fly faster, thus freeing up
slots in the pattern for inbound traffic more quickly.
   Currently, there is a 250 knot "speed limit" in the traffic area
around any airport.  Allowing air traffic controllers to ask jets to fly
at 300 knots in such areas would increase their safety margin.

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Roger M. Wilc

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Roger M. Wilc » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00



>  The lobby most responsible for lowering the limits was the "save fuel"
>  contingency of the late 70's. Remember the phony gas crisis that was
>  used to raise prices and lower the speed limit?

The OPEC oil embargo of 1973 was very, very real.

(Of course, when OPEC *lifted* the embargo and U.S. gasoline prices
*stayed* high, that's another story.)

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Lloyd R. Park

Cops That Tailgate (Was: Cars that Get Stopped)

by Lloyd R. Park » Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:00:00

: >: : Sorry, but a law prohibiting you from going 100 mph is not "evil."
: >
: >
: >: Sorry, but it is.  Unless you want to qualify that statement by saying
: >: 100 mph in a school zone or in a blizzard or something of that nature.
: >
: >Sorry, it's not.  Evil laws are ones like segregation and slavery. To
: >suggest a speed limit law is evil is ludicrous!

:       But a law condoning insurance company ripoffs and tax collection under
: the guise of breaking a 'law' is?? Wake up.

You wake up.  Insurance companies can raise your rate if they don't like
what you eat for breakfast!  And if you object to paying them and the
local gov't extra money, there's a simple solution -- don't break the
law!  (Or use a little intelligence and don't get caught.)


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