I just want to echo that the save while paused option is exactly what I'm
looking for.
I hope that Papyrus seriously considers this option as a patch. Aside from
some minor annoying bugs, this is the only glaring scar on an otherwise
excellent sim.
> Such a feature would also help the directors of
> >offline racing series. Now they can't restart a race because they crashed
> >out. They do have to run the full laps with damage on. (I talk to much)
Well put Shane. There aren't too many people who can sit down for hours
at a time and run these races. I should know. I'm the director IVL.
The only place you can find 100% length racing. For one reason or
another, folks may need to stop and pick up the race later. I'm all for
that, but it should be implemented in a fashion that prevents cheating.
It doesn't matter to me if a driver wants to cheat to beat the AI, but
when other drivers in an offline series are a part of the picture, you
have to consider them too. I can't see that saving a snapshot of a race
could be that much more of a problem than saving a replay of a race.
This is just another case of Papyrus not getting their priorities
straight because of some outside influence such as Sierra and NASCAR.
David Martin
OK, I jsut had to jump in here. Mr. Martin obviously has something up his
butt.
Dear David,
With regards to the save option, File I/O is the least important issue. If
you
knew anything about software design/development you would be aware that
returning a program to the exact operating state is a complex job. If it
was
simple Papyrus would have done it. I suspect with N2 the tough job is not
so
much making the save routines work, it is making them work while not
adversely
affecting the performance of the sim as there would need to be addition
metrics
added to capture the entire state of the game at any point.
Regards,
---Wayne.
Well Jim can you explain why it could be incorporated in IndyCar
Racing 2 and the original NASCAR Racing?
Craig
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> > In Microprose's Grand Prix 2 a race can be saved and reloaded in pause
> > mode (good idea to save on a straight section of track!) away yer go all
> > cars in their original position and up to speed. I also think that
> > qualifying and racing on the same (day?) in Nascar2 is a bit NAF!!
> I've encountered several problems while saving races in GP2, it too, is
> not bug-free. Races I've saved are suddenly not found on the drive, my
> car is in the wrong spot, fuel levels and times are incorrect.
Cheers! (a washing detergent)
-David Gary-
>>> Those must be trivial to implement in a patch. I know people want
>>> more, but would the no frills approach be worth doing???
>>If this was indeed "trivial" as you state, do people here not think we
>>would have implemented it in the first place? It's not trivial; if it
>>were, you'd already have it...
>>---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
>Well Jim can you explain why it could be incorporated in IndyCar
>Racing 2 and the original NASCAR Racing?
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
In Microprose's Grand Prix 2 a race can be saved and reloaded in pause
mode (good idea to save on a straight section of track!) away yer go all
cars in their original position and up to speed. I also think that
qualifying and racing on the same (day?) in Nascar2 is a bit NAF!!
> In Microprose's Grand Prix 2 a race can be saved and reloaded in pause
> mode (good idea to save on a straight section of track!) away yer go all
> cars in their original position and up to speed. I also think that
> qualifying and racing on the same (day?) in Nascar2 is a bit NAF!!
> >If this was indeed "trivial" as you state, do people here not think we
> >would have implemented it in the first place? It's not trivial; if it
> >were, you'd already have it...
> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
> Well Jim can you explain why it could be incorporated in IndyCar
> Racing 2 and the original NASCAR Racing?
> Craig
David Martin
> >Well Jim can you explain why it could be incorporated in IndyCar
> >Racing 2 and the original NASCAR Racing?
> If you read the post I was responding to carefully, and have played
> the other two games you will realize that that's not how save game
> worked in those two games. (Save game in those two games was the
> equivalent of throwing the red flag to stop the race and restart it
> from yellow, not the same as restarting from paused state.)
> ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
Answer this. If Papyrus can implement a recording of a race that can be
viewed from many different angles and includes the movements of all cars
for several minutes of racing action, why can't Papyrus save a snapshot
of the race to disk when a race weekend is saved in the middle of a
race. This couldn't take up that much diskspace and probably wouldn't
have been that difficult to implement. I would have expected this to
have been implemented in IndycarII. If the save option in N2 is done
the same as N1, I'll be very disappointed. Papyrus should be able to do
better than that.
David Martin
Have you messed around with editors between saving a game & reloading it?
I think that this can cause some problems.
That said, I often patch my GP2.EXE with different settings and have
never had a problem with save games. This includes playing multiplayer
races by email.
Cheers,
Richard
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 22:13:34 -0500, "Aw C'mon!"
>> In Microprose's Grand Prix 2 a race can be saved and reloaded in pause
>> mode (good idea to save on a straight section of track!) away yer go all
>> cars in their original position and up to speed. I also think that
>> qualifying and racing on the same (day?) in Nascar2 is a bit NAF!!
>I've encountered several problems while saving races in GP2, it too, is
>not bug-free. Races I've saved are suddenly not found on the drive, my
>car is in the wrong spot, fuel levels and times are incorrect.
Shane Lansky
Hobart,Tasmania
Australia
