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Alison's Brabham setups

Jeff Flechsin

Alison's Brabham setups

by Jeff Flechsin » Thu, 08 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Very well done! I just tried them on vroc and was within a tenth of my
fastest time at Monza (130.8) and the Glen (108:6), while gaining some
consistancy with a very stable setup.
    Well done, Eagle Woman!

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John Simmo

Alison's Brabham setups

by John Simmo » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I had to add 5 pounds to the rear springs to keep the rear end from
snapping around on me in Curva Grande at Monza - when the fuel load
gets real light, the setup is much more stable overall with this slight
change.  My best with that setup is 1:30.45, but I've seen people do
1:29's with her Monza setup (unchanged).

I have to ask - why does everyone feel the need for such high settings on
the ARB's in the Brabham?  I get similar performance with 70-80 on both
bars.  Is it just me, or am I missing something?

Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible RPM
appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and 8400.

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ilmor

Alison's Brabham setups

by ilmor » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Thanks for the tip.
That might be what I need. Ive just gone from the coventry setups and Im
either spinning or going slower than I was in the cov? These setups are
killing me!
schwab

Alison's Brabham setups

by schwab » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi John...

As for bars, well, use what you like best. I find that stiff bars help
make the car a bit more responsive. But at Kyalami for instance, I've
tried soft bars like you speak of and stiff bars... not a great
difference in lap times. But they do feel a bit different, so just
decide which you like better.

As for blowing motors, how do you see such detailed tach #s?? I can't
make out ANY of the numbers on the tach... too small. I just shift at
about 10 o-clock on the dial. For a bit more help, download the Brabham
***pit at Andy Olley's site

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

It's a better looking***pit AND it has a redlined tach! You definitely
know where to stop, and it works fabulous. You will NOT blow motors with
this redline (if you don't blow shifts).

--Dave



> >Very well done! I just tried them on vroc and was within a tenth of my
> >fastest time at Monza (130.8) and the Glen (108:6), while gaining some
> >consistancy with a very stable setup.

> I had to add 5 pounds to the rear springs to keep the rear end from
> snapping around on me in Curva Grande at Monza - when the fuel load
> gets real light, the setup is much more stable overall with this slight
> change.  My best with that setup is 1:30.45, but I've seen people do
> 1:29's with her Monza setup (unchanged).

> I have to ask - why does everyone feel the need for such high settings on
> the ARB's in the Brabham?  I get similar performance with 70-80 on both
> bars.  Is it just me, or am I missing something?

> Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
> race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible RPM
> appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and 8400.

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Tim Leighto

Alison's Brabham setups

by Tim Leighto » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

could it be (dare I suggest it?) that some people may be racing in Chase
mode where you can see exactly what rpm you have?


> Hi John...

> As for bars, well, use what you like best. I find that stiff bars help
> make the car a bit more responsive. But at Kyalami for instance, I've
> tried soft bars like you speak of and stiff bars... not a great
> difference in lap times. But they do feel a bit different, so just
> decide which you like better.

> As for blowing motors, how do you see such detailed tach #s?? I can't
> make out ANY of the numbers on the tach... too small. I just shift at
> about 10 o-clock on the dial. For a bit more help, download the Brabham
>***pit at Andy Olley's site

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> It's a better looking***pit AND it has a redlined tach! You definitely
> know where to stop, and it works fabulous. You will NOT blow motors with
> this redline (if you don't blow shifts).

> --Dave



> > >Very well done! I just tried them on vroc and was within a tenth of my
> > >fastest time at Monza (130.8) and the Glen (108:6), while gaining some
> > >consistancy with a very stable setup.

> > I had to add 5 pounds to the rear springs to keep the rear end from
> > snapping around on me in Curva Grande at Monza - when the fuel load
> > gets real light, the setup is much more stable overall with this slight
> > change.  My best with that setup is 1:30.45, but I've seen people do
> > 1:29's with her Monza setup (unchanged).

> > I have to ask - why does everyone feel the need for such high settings
on
> > the ARB's in the Brabham?  I get similar performance with 70-80 on both
> > bars.  Is it just me, or am I missing something?

> > Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
> > race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible RPM
> > appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and 8400.

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schwab

Alison's Brabham setups

by schwab » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Tim... you know, I never ran in chase mode, so I didn't even know you
could see RPM!! :-)

Well, that could make sense then, huh?? I still stand by my
recommendations for shift points...

Tim, I can't imagine that I am not alone in finding the tach numbers
unreadable, am I?? (from in-car that is)

--dave


> could it be (dare I suggest it?) that some people may be racing in Chase
> mode where you can see exactly what rpm you have?


> > Hi John...

> > As for bars, well, use what you like best. I find that stiff bars help
> > make the car a bit more responsive. But at Kyalami for instance, I've
> > tried soft bars like you speak of and stiff bars... not a great
> > difference in lap times. But they do feel a bit different, so just
> > decide which you like better.

> > As for blowing motors, how do you see such detailed tach #s?? I can't
> > make out ANY of the numbers on the tach... too small. I just shift at
> > about 10 o-clock on the dial. For a bit more help, download the Brabham
> >***pit at Andy Olley's site

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > It's a better looking***pit AND it has a redlined tach! You definitely
> > know where to stop, and it works fabulous. You will NOT blow motors with
> > this redline (if you don't blow shifts).

> > --Dave



> > > >Very well done! I just tried them on vroc and was within a tenth of my
> > > >fastest time at Monza (130.8) and the Glen (108:6), while gaining some
> > > >consistancy with a very stable setup.

> > > I had to add 5 pounds to the rear springs to keep the rear end from
> > > snapping around on me in Curva Grande at Monza - when the fuel load
> > > gets real light, the setup is much more stable overall with this slight
> > > change.  My best with that setup is 1:30.45, but I've seen people do
> > > 1:29's with her Monza setup (unchanged).

> > > I have to ask - why does everyone feel the need for such high settings
> on
> > > the ARB's in the Brabham?  I get similar performance with 70-80 on both
> > > bars.  Is it just me, or am I missing something?

> > > Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
> > > race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible RPM
> > > appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and 8400.

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Chris Schlette

Alison's Brabham setups

by Chris Schlette » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

They are.  And when I sit in the***pit of my real sports car, I can
definetly see the &^%$ing tach numbers. :)

schwab

Alison's Brabham setups

by schwab » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Very true, Chris...

 Hey Eric Busch or Randy Cassidy... how about readable tachs in Patch
1.1??

-Dave


> > Tim, I can't imagine that I am not alone in finding the tach numbers
> > unreadable, am I?? (from in-car that is)

> They are.  And when I sit in the***pit of my real sports car, I can
> definetly see the &^%$ing tach numbers. :)

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Tim Leighto

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by Tim Leighto » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Absolutely Dave. Like you I shift at about "10 o'clock" or just past "11
o'clock" in the Lotus. I couldnt possibly say accurately what the RPM is.
A friend of mine recently told me he races in chase mode, which certainly
doesn't suit me and feels very inauthentic. However I have now programmed a
button on my wheel to switch between the views (mapping F10 to the button),
so I can start the race on the grid in chase, and thus avoid the carnage,
and I then switch back into in-car as soon as I'm clear.
I may even become a convert to the A.T. I'm practising
Cheers
Tim

> Tim... you know, I never ran in chase mode, so I didn't even know you
> could see RPM!! :-)

> Well, that could make sense then, huh?? I still stand by my
> recommendations for shift points...

> Tim, I can't imagine that I am not alone in finding the tach numbers
> unreadable, am I?? (from in-car that is)

> --dave

Edward Whit

Alison's Brabham setups

by Edward Whit » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Rpm's are clearly visible during replays, which doesn't help much during
race, but viewing replays can show you your shift and brake points......Ed

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John Simmo

Alison's Brabham setups

by John Simmo » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I drive in chase view - easy to see actual numbers in chase view...


>As for blowing motors, how do you see such detailed tach #s?? I can't
>make out ANY of the numbers on the tach... too small. I just shift at
>about 10 o-clock on the dial. For a bit more help, download the Brabham
>cockpit at Andy Olley's site


>> Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
>> race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible
>> RPM appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and
>> 8400.

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Trey Beh

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by Trey Beh » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>A friend of mine recently told me he races in chase mode, which certainly
>doesn't suit me and feels very inauthentic.

I now race both GPL and N99 the same way, and find that my performance has
improved considerably. I find it "inauthentic" to have my eyes locked forward
(except for flicks to the left and right), no situational awareness around the
race car, and no tach readout. Like another poster, my REAL sports car has a
tach and 360-degree vision. Plus, even the AI guys are better than I am, and I
need Mark Donohue's "unfair advantage" (long a part of real racing). Anybody
else out there willing to confess?

Trey Behan

ymenar

Alison's Brabham setups

by ymenar » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00


You really think that back in 1967, the drivers could see the tach numbers
on the dash ? It was bouncing up and down and tilting like a madman..  You
really though they could focus on the numbers wrote on the dash ? Heck I
know with my Volvo 850T with smooth shocks It was almost impossible to
figure the # (I just shifted by sound and visual cues like a clock), so I
can see how incredibly shaky it would be back in those days.

Oh yeah I also guess the resolution of the***pit can't be made better.
The whole game engine is made that way, I guess it would be hard.  Of course
I think they will go that way for N3 (increasing the base resolution for the
***pit), so who knows :)

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by ddjhenri » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

  gEEz Lou-eez.   You'd think we were having some
sort of soul baring revival.  You all chase drivers...(I suspect
many TNT lads)  you are playing GPL for Chrissakes...not
NEED FOR SPEED!   Kee-ripes!
dave henrie
(  :}  I'd rather be slower than mud but in the car....)

>I drive in chase view - easy to see actual numbers in chase view...


>>As for blowing motors, how do you see such detailed tach #s?? I can't
>>make out ANY of the numbers on the tach... too small. I just shift at
>>about 10 o-clock on the dial. For a bit more help, download the Brabham
>>cockpit at Andy Olley's site


>>> Lastly, I am having a REAL problem keeping the motor together during a
>>> race.  At what RPM does everyone shift in the Brabham?  Max possible
>>> RPM appears to be 8600 RPM, and I typically shift between 8300 and
>>> 8400.

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UnserFan

Alison's Brabham setups

by UnserFan » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I always run in the Chase view on GPL.  I like knowing exactly where the other
cars are around me

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited


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