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GPL Hardware Questions

Greg Alexande

GPL Hardware Questions

by Greg Alexande » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I would like some feedback on my proposed setup for GPL.  In advance I
appreciate all the responses.

Abit BH6 Motherboard
Generic 128MB PC 100 SDRAM
PII 233 Mhz Processor(It is a freebie from a friend)
Diamond Stealth II S 220

I am confident the motherboard and RAM are fine but my main questions are
will the processor be fine if it is overclocked?  If I overclock what speed
do you recommend?  What cooling solution would you recommend?

If I overclock the Stealth what frequency would you recommend?  What cooling
solutions would you recommend?  I have seen some of the 3Dfxcool fans and
they look pretty good.

I am hoping that I can get at least 30 FPS with this setup.

Greg Alexander

John Moor

GPL Hardware Questions

by John Moor » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

somewhere around 300 mhz is good, get a big fan and o/c your video card
too.



Alison Hi

GPL Hardware Questions

by Alison Hi » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I would make two suggestions:

1. Use an 8 mb Hercules Thriller instead of the Stealth II.  The extra
memory in the Thriller makes a *big* difference in frame rate in GPL.

2. Consider a Celeron instead of the PII-233, if/when you can afford it.
Celerons are reputed to be much more tolerant of overclocking than
standard PII's.

Alison

On Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:04:13 GMT, "Greg Alexander"


>I would like some feedback on my proposed setup for GPL.  In advance I
>appreciate all the responses.

>Abit BH6 Motherboard
>Generic 128MB PC 100 SDRAM
>PII 233 Mhz Processor(It is a freebie from a friend)
>Diamond Stealth II S 220

>I am confident the motherboard and RAM are fine but my main questions are
>will the processor be fine if it is overclocked?  If I overclock what speed
>do you recommend?  What cooling solution would you recommend?

>If I overclock the Stealth what frequency would you recommend?  What cooling
>solutions would you recommend?  I have seen some of the 3Dfxcool fans and
>they look pretty good.

>I am hoping that I can get at least 30 FPS with this setup.

>Greg Alexander

Alison



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Eric T. Busc

GPL Hardware Questions

by Eric T. Busc » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Don't get generic SDRAM if you're trying to overclock.  Do yourself a
favor and get some good quality name brand CAS2 PC100 SDRAM.

- Eric


Byron Forbe

GPL Hardware Questions

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00


> I would make two suggestions:

> 1. Use an 8 mb Hercules Thriller instead of the Stealth II.  The extra
> memory in the Thriller makes a *big* difference in frame rate in GPL.

> 2. Consider a Celeron instead of the PII-233, if/when you can afford it.
> Celerons are reputed to be much more tolerant of overclocking than
> standard PII's.

  Make that a Celery "A". There is a significant improvement at the same clock speed
between a celery without L2 and the "A" with it's 128k on die (and at full cpu speed) L2
cache. Also, the "A" is fully tested and proven at 450mhz, whereas the std Celery seems to
be limited to about 400mhz.

--
 Byron Forbes
 Captain of Team Lightning Bolt

 http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS

    and

 http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

Wolfgang Prei

GPL Hardware Questions

by Wolfgang Prei » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00



>> I would make two suggestions:

>> 1. Use an 8 mb Hercules Thriller instead of the Stealth II.  The extra
>> memory in the Thriller makes a *big* difference in frame rate in GPL.

>> 2. Consider a Celeron instead of the PII-233, if/when you can afford it.
>> Celerons are reputed to be much more tolerant of overclocking than
>> standard PII's.

> Make that a Celery "A". There is a significant improvement at the same clock speed
> between a celery without L2 and the "A" with it's 128k on die (and at full cpu
> speed) L2 cache.

I agree in principle, but just to make sure that a potential buyer
doesn't get confused:

Celeron 300     no L2 cache
Celeron 300A    128k L2 cache
Celeron 333     128k L2 cache

The 333MHz chip doesn't have the "A" in the name, and yet has the L2
cache. The chip to buy for overclocking purposes would be the 300A,
anyway, not the 333, since the 333 would have to run at 500MHz with a
100MHz front side bus.

What do you mean by "fully tested"? From the reports I read, it seems
to work great at 450MHz, usually, but I'm still not convinced that
overclocking a chip at a rate of 50% will be good for it in the long
run (by long, I mean "more than 6 months"). I'm not so much concerned
about the CPU - the Mendocino is one of the latest designs and Intel,
like them or not, have a pretty good and consistent quality in their
fabs - but 450MHz is *a lot* of speed for a L2 cache.

--
Wolfgang Preiss   \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.


Byron Forbe

GPL Hardware Questions

by Byron Forbe » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> > Also, the "A" is fully tested and proven at 450mhz, whereas the std Celery
> > seems to be limited to about 400mhz.

> What do you mean by "fully tested"? From the reports I read, it seems
> to work great at 450MHz, usually, but I'm still not convinced that
> overclocking a chip at a rate of 50% will be good for it in the long
> run (by long, I mean "more than 6 months"). I'm not so much concerned
> about the CPU - the Mendocino is one of the latest designs and Intel,
> like them or not, have a pretty good and consistent quality in their
> fabs - but 450MHz is *a lot* of speed for a L2 cache.

  I am going by all the "no problem" reports I have gotten. Basically, the core is the
same as a 450 (from my memory?) and the most limiting factor with most OCing is L2 cache,
the type that is not "on dye" (PIIs) as it is with the 300A/333. It is early days of
course and we shall just have to wait and see if this on dye cache has a decent life span
at 450 mhz. All looks good so far :)

--
 Byron Forbes
 Captain of Team Lightning Bolt

 http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS

    and

 http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

Marc Rain

GPL Hardware Questions

by Marc Rain » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Besides, if it dies in 6 - 9 months, a replacement CPU will probably be
under $100.

Marc


>  I am going by all the "no problem" reports I have gotten. Basically, the
core is the
>same as a 450 (from my memory?) and the most limiting factor with most
OCing is L2 cache,
>the type that is not "on dye" (PIIs) as it is with the 300A/333. It is
early days of
>course and we shall just have to wait and see if this on dye cache has a
decent life span
>at 450 mhz. All looks good so far :)

>--
> Byron Forbes
> Captain of Team Lightning Bolt

> http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS

>    and

> http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm


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