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by **Keith Arche** » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Dmn right we do.

Is it because we don't produce anything much of our own - I think that North
Sea Oil is not really suitable for 'cracking' down to petroleum.

Over in the States, they've got Texas - you know the big place with the long
strait road and lots of OIL. I guess it makes some difference to gas prices
(cheaper) when you can control how much you produce.

Joke for you:

Why did the Irish (or Polish if un the US) get potatoes and the Arabs get
oil?

The Irish (or Poles) had first choice.

No offence intended |-).

Keith

> We pay around 87% tax on our fuel in the UK

> MS

> > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now!

> > Over here in the UK we're paying over 4.00 a gallon - convert that into
> > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-)

> > Keith

> I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask!
> What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is
> it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping
> you guys even worse than they are us?

> --
> Chuck Kandler
> (GPL Handicap of +249.31)
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes:

>> >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been
>> >back? <g>

>> I just got some this morning...$2.15?!? WTF??????
>> It's gone up more than 70 cents in the past two weeks? Did we bomb Iraq
>again?

>ROTFLMAO!!! *Now* you see what I've been on about.<g> Something just
>isn't kosher here.

Hehe - I guess I've had other things on my mind recently...
Ok, I found a receipt. I paid $1.79 on 5/31. I didn't even realize it was
THAT much(credit card). I paid $2.15 yesterday morning...Sheesh. Although I
found out why the price went up. Some pipeline in Michigan burst, spilling a
bunch of oil...

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by **Ville V Sinkk** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask!
> What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is
> it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping
> you guys even worse than they are us?

The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues,
the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green'
consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they
will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with
something cheaper to use. Taxation plays a part here - the oil companies
are (I understand) very nicely in leash. Gas also doesn't seem to have
quite as big an importance here as it does across the Atlantic. Our
attitudes towards eg. private cars is much more economical and less
obsessive than 'theirs'.

The big difference is due to US people having gotten so spoiled from
ridiculously low gas prices that they'll start rioting if the prices
are raised. A suggestion in that direction from anyone would mean a
political suicide.

Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted
forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe,
or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of
their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable.

+Cinquo

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues,
> the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green'
> consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they
> will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with
> something cheaper to use.

Now this one loses me for some reason. I grasp the taxation issue. I
read earlier it is 87% in the UK!?! My goodness, that's terrible! But
if I'm paraphrasing you correctly, you're implying that by giving the
Oil Companies a bigger Profit, that somehow that'll help the
environment. On the one hand, if I want to go somewhere, I'm going
regardless of cost. It's just a matter of how much it'll end up costing
me. On the other hand, there is no reason *any* product should cost
more than the Producer's Cost + *reasonable* profit margin (arbitrary, I
realize) + government-imposed tax burden. Anything over that is nothing
more than theft. How will giving them suits an even ungodlier amount of
profit be good for the environment? I will never try & justify any
company for any sort unjust profiteering. I'm just as environmentally
*aware* as the next guy, but throwing money at these particular Robber
Barons is a waste. At the tax rates here in Michigan, I still say
anything over about $1.10-1.25 a gallon is profiteering. Add your
local/national tax burden to that price & that's all YOU should have to
pay. Anything over that and we're not doing anything for the
environment, we're just padding the Fat Cats.

--
Chuck Kandler
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K&S Racing
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by **don hodgdo** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted
> forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe,
> or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of
> their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable.

> +Cinquo

Hopefully, what will happen is that we will finally wake up and switch to
Methanol instead of burning gasoline. This should have happened 75 years
ago, but the oil companies have a financial ***hold on the governments
of the world.
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by **daxe** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

In the USA, as little as a year ago, the price of gasoline as indexed to the
cost of living was actually cheaper than it had been in 40 years.

One reason for this could be the relative size of the countries. The USA,
which we may freely cross without any border or customs checks, is 3000+
miles across. It makes sense that effective personal transportation would
play an important role.

Politicians don't raise gas prices, they raise gas *taxes*. The USA has a
history of not being appreciative when politicians levy excessive,
self-serving taxes and I can't say I blame us.

Since the complete exhaustion of of natural reserves is so far in the
future, I woldn't worry too much about fossil fuels being the only viable
means of powering automobiles at that time. People are working on
alternatives, but the truth is that the internal combustion engine remains
the most efficient use of energy for this purpose to date.

~daxe

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by **Jo Hels** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very
last second, or some really bad situations will develop...

I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough
vision to prevent this.

JoH

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very
> last second, or some really bad situations will develop...

> I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough
> vision to prevent this.

I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself....

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by **Brett C. Camma** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I expect we'll all be well and comfortably dead by then. The internal
combustion automobile will be a quaint anachronism by then, too.
Relegated to parades and museums.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack

by **Eldre** » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes:

Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least in
Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for...

Eldred
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by **Uncle Feste** » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least in
> Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for...

> Eldred

Yeah, they're *supposed* to be. Judging by the # of potholes I gotta
dodge everyday, I'd say we're all due a rebate!<G>

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by **Uncle Feste** » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> > We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very
> > last second, or some really bad situations will develop...

> > I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough
> > vision to prevent this.

> I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself....

You've got my vote Goy! :-))

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> > > We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very
> > > last second, or some really bad situations will develop...

> > > I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough
> > > vision to prevent this.

> > I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself....

> You've got my vote Goy! :-))

Thx, but too late I'm afraid, I had lots of good ideas, but due to the
"Captain Morgan" effect, I've forgotten them all :-)

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by **Scot** » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

AND it gets worse...............

http://cnnfn.com/2000/06/15/deals/wires/verizon_wg/

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes:

>> Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least
>in
>> Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for...

>> Eldred

>Yeah, they're *supposed* to be. Judging by the # of potholes I gotta
>dodge everyday, I'd say we're all due a rebate!<G>

Yeah, Chuck! Let's pay a visit to Mr. Engler...<g>

Eldred
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