rec.autos.simulators

Hello fellow pilots

Just to say i can deal with the prehistoric graphics, i can deal with the
schematic physical model, and i can deal with this GP2 add-on, as the
playability seems interesting after all.

I just cant deal with the lack of internet play. I just dont understand how
game developpers have missed what happened with VROC, and the perspectives
it led to. The greatest fun with a racing sim is to race ONLINE. Thats
probably the reason why i'll abandon GP3 very soon, as i did with every race
sim since GPL. No racing online is no fun. I'm bored of wasting time on
lonely hotlaps.

Damn, if they have to do a patch first, i hope they'll implement ONLINE
TCP/IP racing, even before patching separate axis fot my MSFF.

If they dont, my game is for sale :-)

I'd like to know your opinions about this, which seems to me more important
than whining about the (poor) graphics and the (poor) sounds.

Thierry Cailleteau, going back to VROC and possibly CounterStrike :-)

Not that this of course in anyway excuses the lack of 'option'

(BTW you've never seen me on VROC, or GPLRank, because my GPL driving
skills are soooooooooooo lame ;)          )

Alan

Well agree. BUT, it would be nice to have TCP/IP internet playability
though, because if you dont wanna race kiddies, its ofcourse also possible
to race only against people who you know already...

Still, it is unlikely that Microprose or Hasbro is going to give us
some sort of patch to add Internet play.  I mean, the way multiplayer
is now in GP3, this would take a lot of work.  

I still will play GP3, though I have recently reinstalled both N3 and
GPL so that I can also race online.  

If there are any rookie GPL players who are interested in online
racing, give me a buzz or contact me at ICQ 4046944.  VROC is great
but being only a rookie I hate to race with the big boys, since doing
so will sometimes mess them up.

Later,

Alanb

You better hope that the makers of GP3 don't look to GPL in order to make a
decision as to whether or not online play will help boost their sales,
because the number of users is so tiny.

David G Fisher

You should hope they look to other titles that have h

Jan

You should try one of the offline leagues that are around, see for example
the links page at http://www.sln.sim-racing.net/. Although you do your races
against the ai, the team spirit in those leagues is usually great (depends
on the team of course:). Most teams have a mailing list, a web site and a
chat room where you can discuss setups, hotlaps, results. But also any kind
of personal thing that you want to bring up.
Both online and offline leagues have their strong points, and joining an
offline league is certainly  not a lonely affair.

Bart Westra

happy to be with:
Lusa Racing
http://lusa.sim-racing.net/
http://www.lfrs.com/
MARA
http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm
IGPLC-F3
http://home.c2i.net/igplc/

Jan.
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Vintook

P.S. Multiplayer is a MUST!

Agreed 100%

Ex

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I agree that it's absurd to leave it out, especially after 2 years of
VROC, but as I am one (thanks, BT) who has no chance of a stable online
connection (yes, I've done all the usual - edited core.ini, changed
modems, slowed down speeds etc etc etc), a good AI is *vital* to my
enjoyment of a game. I would be distinctly unimpressed with the
laziness of a developer who says "oh well, it'll be played online, so
who cares about the AI?".

It may not be a coincidence that GP3 has the best AI of any modern F1
game I've played - it's one of the few areas where there is a major
improvement over GP2. GPL's AI is a little predictable as it stands,
but there is a replacement AI file available, from here:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jessel/gpl

by Jesse Laasko, that makes the drivers more interesting to race
against (for one thing, they don't go round in a train for lap after
lap, but actually pull out occasionally). It's not perfect, with the AI
cars tending to crash at a few places (Mosport especially, but also the
start/finish straight bridge at Silverstone); but it is a big
improvement on the original overall.

All racing games these days should have an Internet option - just don't
make it the only thing you care about, that's all.

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.12)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

You know if you actually try to race the AI in GPL, GP3 oreven F12000 for
that matter it can be quite fun. Forget about those crazy moves that would
be impossible and dangerous in real life, actually race them, as you would
on VROC. Its very fun!

     I certainly have to agree with David. While there is a small number of
us whose whole sim racing experience revolves around online racing with GPL,
that percentage certainly wouldn't influence any decision to include it in a
new sim to increase sales.  Having raced online at VROC for more than 2
years, I can't honestly remember ever seeing more than 78 simmers there at
anyone time.  At present, I believe that there is only 500+ who have
registered out of the more than 45,000 who have purchased GPL.

     So why would any producer want to spend money to fund the software for
online racing that so few people are interested in?  The answer is the
don't.

Joel Willstein

% You better hope that the makers of GP3 don't look to GPL in order to make a
% decision as to whether or not online play will help boost their sales,
% because the number of users is so tiny.

Just can't help it can you David.... dig dig dig.....  Well our numbers
may be tiny.... But we are legend(*)!  The true merit of a "game"
isn't the number of sales, it's how long the interest lasts in a
product.  Some of the best classic literature never sold many copies
when it was first published...

(*) with the proper accent this could be heard to be as "legion" <G>

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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