rec.autos.simulators

by **Jay** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:38:29

Hello,

I am looking for a bit of feedback on modern F1 titles...

I currently own F1 2000 CS and with all the add on's, patches, etc, etc am
quite happy with it, but I've also seen quite a few add-on's for GP3 and
have heard good things about F1 Racing Champ from Ubisoft.

For those who own all three, or who have tested them, how would you rate
them?
Is it worth my while to pick up GP3 and F1RC knowing that F1RC ver 2 and F1
2001 (by EA) are both due out this fall, or should I sit tight with what I
have?

Also... Anyone know if GP4 will ever become a reality? I've read lately that
it's dead, but I do recall when they released GP3 that there was lots of
talk about GP4 coming out someting this year.

Thanks for the advice!
Jay J

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:20:52

aaarrrggghhh!!!!

see many many many previous threads on this!

different people different answers.

Iain

by **chainbreake** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:59:50

I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much nicer
fellow than this post suggests--

I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC."

. . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-)

Jerry Morelock

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 00:08:44

Jay
I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find here is
a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at all,
and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour. You'll
see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden agendas.
Enjoy!
Iain

> > aaarrrggghhh!!!!

> > see many many many previous threads on this!

> > different people different answers.

> > Iain

> I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much
nicer
> fellow than this post suggests--

> I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC."

> . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-)

> Jerry Morelock

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 00:29:56

There is no real answer. Different people pick up on different things.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

by **Jay** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:26:25

Thanks Iain,

No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had a chance
to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so much discussion
previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort.

I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd
purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I
assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS.

Regards,
Jay J

> Jay
> I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find here
is
> a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at all,
> and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour. You'll
> see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden agendas.
> Enjoy!
> Iain

> > > aaarrrggghhh!!!!

> > > see many many many previous threads on this!

> > > different people different answers.

> > > Iain

> > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much
> nicer
> > fellow than this post suggests--

> > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC."

> > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-)

> > Jerry Morelock

by **Douglas Elliso** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:12:36

General opinions (I have all three titles and F1 World Grand Prix Also)

GP3
Looks Crap, Sounds Crap, Drives ***but the weather is nice

F1RC
AI's Crap, Physics Crap, but it Looks Nice

F1CS2K
Looks Average, Physics is Average, AI is average.

F1WGP
Looks Average, Physics Crap, AI Crap.

the bottom line...

There is no good Modern F1 game for the PC.

<sarcasm>
I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or something like that -
it's 1960's F1 Racing - that's supposed to be quite good - has some crappy
online racing element that's not very popular, not a lot of fun, and hardly
ever entertaining and full of horrible people :
</sarcasm>

There's also a new titile due in about 5 - 10 months (depends where you
looks!) called WSC (world sports car) that will be flexible enough to allow
a full F1 season to be created for it - combining the best GFX I've seen,
rumoured to be the best Physics there is, the most flexible system for add
ons, and track detail to DIE for! I'm probably not going to fall sucker to
buying another racing game until WSC comes out unless I hear VERY good
things about it - then again - someone will say something nice about any
racing game just because somehow it appeals to them in a funny way !!

Doug

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:53:00

LOL!! ;-)

You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no
fun at all.

Jan.<g>
=---

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:54:52

Jay

What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few.
What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others)
don't!
From a purely personal point of view, I would say that my current favourite
of the 3 you mentioned is definitely F1RC. I am still a big fan of F1CS,
and in fact I was a major defender of it and its predecessor F12K on this
group when all around were slagging it off, but it just doesn't feel right
after spending a long time on F1RC. From my perspective, the driving model
is just too forgiving, and doesn't feel right any more.
I never really got on with GP3 as I felt that it wasn't really any great
progression on GP2 - a major disappointment after such a long wait, and the
majority on ras (sort of) agreed.
F1RC is not however without its problems - mainly in the AI performance.
You can get rammed for no particularly good reason at times, and the AI cars
can pile into each other rather than finding a way round a stopped car.
There is a theory that the AI improves as you go on, but I'm not going to
get into that one! One of the main controversies with F1RC on this group is
the lack of a patch from Ubi. They have been making silly excuses for some
time now about FIA approval and God knows what else as the reason for the
late delivery of a patch. They need to get that released very soon.
Still, as I said earlier, each of the 3 titles has its fans and detractors,
so it's really up to you to try them and see for yourself. Go to a store
with a good returns policy!

Good luck!

Iain

> Thanks Iain,

> No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had a
chance
> to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so much
discussion
> previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort.

> I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd
> purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I
> assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS.

> Regards,
> Jay J

> > Jay
> > I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find here
> is
> > a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at
all,
> > and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour.
You'll
> > see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden
agendas.
> > Enjoy!
> > Iain

> > > > aaarrrggghhh!!!!

> > > > see many many many previous threads on this!

> > > > different people different answers.

> > > > Iain

> > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much
> > nicer
> > > fellow than this post suggests--

> > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC."

> > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-)

> > > Jerry Morelock

by **Gerry Aitke** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 04:25:32

> Douglas Ellison wrote...
> > <snip>
> > <sarcasm>
> > I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or
> > something like that - it's 1960's F1 Racing - that's
> > supposed to be quite good - has some crappy online racing
> > element that's not very popular, not a lot of fun, and
> > hardly ever entertaining and full of horrible people :
> > </sarcasm>

> LOL!! ;-)

> You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no
> fun at all.

> Jan.<g>
> =---

Drafting and being drafted back, then two a*** into the braking zone
for Mulsanne corner...DULL, DULL, DULL!!! I'm so bored!;)

Gerry

by **RegularRace** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 04:43:29

Go with what you like...I like GP3 the best.........(even though others
prefer different)

> Jay

> What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few.
> What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others)
> don't!
> From a purely personal point of view, I would say that my current
favourite
> of the 3 you mentioned is definitely F1RC. I am still a big fan of F1CS,
> and in fact I was a major defender of it and its predecessor F12K on this
> group when all around were slagging it off, but it just doesn't feel right
> after spending a long time on F1RC. From my perspective, the driving
model
> is just too forgiving, and doesn't feel right any more.
> I never really got on with GP3 as I felt that it wasn't really any great
> progression on GP2 - a major disappointment after such a long wait, and
the
> majority on ras (sort of) agreed.
> F1RC is not however without its problems - mainly in the AI performance.
> You can get rammed for no particularly good reason at times, and the AI
cars
> can pile into each other rather than finding a way round a stopped car.
> There is a theory that the AI improves as you go on, but I'm not going to
> get into that one! One of the main controversies with F1RC on this group
is
> the lack of a patch from Ubi. They have been making silly excuses for
some
> time now about FIA approval and God knows what else as the reason for the
> late delivery of a patch. They need to get that released very soon.
> Still, as I said earlier, each of the 3 titles has its fans and
detractors,
> so it's really up to you to try them and see for yourself. Go to a store
> with a good returns policy!

> Good luck!

> Iain

> > Thanks Iain,

> > No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had a
> chance
> > to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so much
> discussion
> > previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort.

> > I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd
> > purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I
> > assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS.

> > Regards,
> > Jay J

> > > Jay
> > > I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find
here
> > is
> > > a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at
> all,
> > > and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour.
> You'll
> > > see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden
> agendas.
> > > Enjoy!
> > > Iain

> > > > > aaarrrggghhh!!!!

> > > > > see many many many previous threads on this!

> > > > > different people different answers.

> > > > > Iain

> > > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a
much
> > > nicer
> > > > fellow than this post suggests--

> > > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC."

> > > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-)

> > > > Jerry Morelock

by **Thom j** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 06:50:41

Doug is right tho!! PLG, LPG, GLP all suck!! They are just a load of
bullocks & are bogus!! Anyway I go to get back to Sarthe dammit! I
gotta get that damm straight up to 210mph alone!! phew.. :o)~

| > I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or

by **Eldre** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 06:53:09

>You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no
>fun at all.

Well, it isn't - if your opponents are running 202...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Thom j** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 06:58:50

Bottom line!! "Different strokes for different folks!!" You may quote me!
Hell F1RS is still good!! Sadly Ubi dropped the ball after F1RS!! :o(

by **Nos** » Mon, 04 Jun 2001 08:25:58

On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:12:36 +0100, "Douglas Ellison"

>General opinions (I have all three titles and F1 World Grand Prix Also)

>GP3
>Looks Crap, - matter of opiniojn
> Sounds ***- not since the 3rd party patch to give other car sounds
> Drives ***- matter of opinion
>but the weather is nice - true

>F1RC
>AI's ***- true
> Physics ***- matter of opinion
> but it Looks Nice - true

>F1CS2K
>Looks Average - true
> Physics is Average - matter of opinion
> AI is average - best there is so far

>F1WGP
>Looks Average, Physics Crap, AI Crap.

This ones a non-contender

Thay all have threir good and bad points, but none of them are crap,
Well, I personally consider F1RC ***until they fix the AI, but
others don't.

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