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OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

Mike Beaucham

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Mike Beaucham » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:27:58

Hey all..
How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to the
manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and some of
the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out more
and more. Makes no sense...

Here's the problem:

I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and the
computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed adjusting. So I
did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually have to
do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the first
time.

Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted (stretched in
certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is vertically
stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix it.

I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor), with no
results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact same
problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a perfect
picture. So it can only be the monitor.

I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I just got it
out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never had a
problem with it yet.

Thanks!

Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Dave Henri

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Dave Henri » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:41:58

    That sounds like a Pincushion problem.  Your monitor 'should' have
adjustments for it...I don't know if ATI has software settings to control
this problem.
  You might want to try changing your refresh rate.
dave henrie


Mike Beaucham

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Mike Beaucham » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:00:39

Dave,
The monitor only has adjustments for "Side-Pin" and "Pin-Balance". Neither
of which can fix this problem..
I don't know if I described it quite right, so I'll try again..
It reaches the horizontal and vertical edges just fine (so, the picture is a
square). But more of the information is vertically compressed at the top
1/3, and the bottom 2/3 of the picture is vertically stretched. So, while
I'm reading this message, the top few lines the text seems to be
not-as-tall, and the last lines are significantly taller.

I also tried the refresh rates, and they all had the same problem :(

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


>     That sounds like a Pincushion problem.  Your monitor 'should' have
> adjustments for it...I don't know if ATI has software settings to control
> this problem.
>   You might want to try changing your refresh rate.
> dave henrie



> > Hey all..
> > How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> > In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to
the
> > manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and
some
> of
> > the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out
more
> > and more. Makes no sense...

> > Here's the problem:

> > I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and the
> > computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed adjusting. So
I
> > did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually
have
> to
> > do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the
first
> > time.

> > Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted (stretched
in
> > certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is vertically
> > stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
> > controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix it.

> > I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor), with
> no
> > results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact same
> > problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a perfect
> > picture. So it can only be the monitor.

> > I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I just
got
> it
> > out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never had a
> > problem with it yet.

> > Thanks!

> > Mike
> > http://mikebeauchamp.com

checkmysignat..

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by checkmysignat.. » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:51:18

On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:27:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"


>Hey all..
>How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
>In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to the
>manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and some of
>the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out more
>and more. Makes no sense...

On my KDS monitor to, reset/recall, you press and hold the up and down
buttons.

--
karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

Mike Beaucham

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Mike Beaucham » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:26:36

I tried holding down almost every combination of the 5 buttons on the front
for like 30 seconds each, with no luck :(

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:27:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

> >Hey all..
> >How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> >In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to
the
> >manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and some
of
> >the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out more
> >and more. Makes no sense...

> On my KDS monitor to, reset/recall, you press and hold the up and down
> buttons.

> --
> karkrazy AT softhome DOT net

Tom Pabs

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:41:07

Mike.....

Here's what I can think of to check......(and I would guess you've already
done these things....but, heck....here goes anyway):

1.  Hit the "degauss" - just to make sure.
2.  You have not moved something with a big magnet (like a large speaker)
near the monitor?
3.  The power cord is securely fastened at both ends (the wall outlet, plug
strip....and the back of the monitor).
4.  When you "swapped" monitors....did you also try swapping the cabling?
5.  You've reduced the overall picture size so you know for sure where the
"edges" of the monitor are (and are not distorted).
6.  You've tried reinstalling the drivers for the monitor (and got "fresh"
ones from the KDS site).
7.  Does changing the "refresh rate" change the distortion pattern in any
way?  If it doesn't, I'd say you have a bad power supply or a bad electron
gun.  That should be covered under warranty and KDS is pretty good about
just giving you another monitor (I've had two KDS monitors go bad, within
warranty - both because of bad power supplies).

That's all I can think of......sorry.

Tom


Vintoo

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Vintoo » Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:22:48

I'm thinking of getting a KDS monitor because they are fairly cheap. From
the sound of it they aren't very good. Do you still have KDS monitors and
after they were replaced.. are they still good?

Vintook


> Mike.....

> Here's what I can think of to check......(and I would guess you've already
> done these things....but, heck....here goes anyway):

> 1.  Hit the "degauss" - just to make sure.
> 2.  You have not moved something with a big magnet (like a large speaker)
> near the monitor?
> 3.  The power cord is securely fastened at both ends (the wall outlet,
plug
> strip....and the back of the monitor).
> 4.  When you "swapped" monitors....did you also try swapping the cabling?
> 5.  You've reduced the overall picture size so you know for sure where the
> "edges" of the monitor are (and are not distorted).
> 6.  You've tried reinstalling the drivers for the monitor (and got "fresh"
> ones from the KDS site).
> 7.  Does changing the "refresh rate" change the distortion pattern in any
> way?  If it doesn't, I'd say you have a bad power supply or a bad electron
> gun.  That should be covered under warranty and KDS is pretty good about
> just giving you another monitor (I've had two KDS monitors go bad, within
> warranty - both because of bad power supplies).

> That's all I can think of......sorry.

> Tom



> > Hey all..
> > How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> > In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to
the
> > manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and
some
> of
> > the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out
more
> > and more. Makes no sense...

> > Here's the problem:

> > I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and the
> > computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed adjusting. So
I
> > did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually
have
> to
> > do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the
first
> > time.

> > Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted (stretched
in
> > certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is vertically
> > stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
> > controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix it.

> > I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor), with
> no
> > results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact same
> > problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a perfect
> > picture. So it can only be the monitor.

> > I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I just
got
> it
> > out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never had a
> > problem with it yet.

> > Thanks!

> > Mike
> > http://mikebeauchamp.com

Tom Pabs

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:12:56

VT....

I think most CRT-type monitors are becoming something of a commodity item.
Especially considering the price of 21" monitors today, compared to even a
couple years ago (lower now by a couple thousand dollars).

I have used KDS, NEC and ADI monitors over the last few years (probably a
dozen or so of each).  Within that group, the NEC monitors are the best in
terms of pure graphic quality.  However, if you use your computer primarily
for ***, the KDS monitors are more than adequate, especially considering
their lower price.  However, individual models within any product line can
be of more - or less - value and you can't just buy anything....and be safe.
Research is tedious, but it pays off in the long run.  I have had hardware
problems with all three companies....all three responded appropriately with
repairs and replacements.  However, I've not bought anything but NEC
monitors now for about two years.....so I should caution that my
"experience" with KDS and ADI is getting a bit dated.

Hope that's helpful.....

Tom


> I'm thinking of getting a KDS monitor because they are fairly cheap. From
> the sound of it they aren't very good. Do you still have KDS monitors and
> after they were replaced.. are they still good?

> Vintook



> > Mike.....

> > Here's what I can think of to check......(and I would guess you've
already
> > done these things....but, heck....here goes anyway):

> > 1.  Hit the "degauss" - just to make sure.
> > 2.  You have not moved something with a big magnet (like a large
speaker)
> > near the monitor?
> > 3.  The power cord is securely fastened at both ends (the wall outlet,
> plug
> > strip....and the back of the monitor).
> > 4.  When you "swapped" monitors....did you also try swapping the
cabling?
> > 5.  You've reduced the overall picture size so you know for sure where
the
> > "edges" of the monitor are (and are not distorted).
> > 6.  You've tried reinstalling the drivers for the monitor (and got
"fresh"
> > ones from the KDS site).
> > 7.  Does changing the "refresh rate" change the distortion pattern in
any
> > way?  If it doesn't, I'd say you have a bad power supply or a bad
electron
> > gun.  That should be covered under warranty and KDS is pretty good about
> > just giving you another monitor (I've had two KDS monitors go bad,
within
> > warranty - both because of bad power supplies).

> > That's all I can think of......sorry.

> > Tom



> > > Hey all..
> > > How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> > > In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to
> the
> > > manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and
> some
> > of
> > > the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out
> more
> > > and more. Makes no sense...

> > > Here's the problem:

> > > I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and the
> > > computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed adjusting.
So
> I
> > > did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually
> have
> > to
> > > do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the
> first
> > > time.

> > > Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted (stretched
> in
> > > certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is vertically
> > > stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
> > > controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix
it.

> > > I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor),
with
> > no
> > > results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact same
> > > problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a perfect
> > > picture. So it can only be the monitor.

> > > I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I just
> got
> > it
> > > out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never had
a
> > > problem with it yet.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Mike
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Larr

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Larr » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:42:21

Aha!  There is an adjustment for that.

Now, I just need to remember the name of it.  Damn...

Hold on a sec...

Ok, I'm back.

My Mitsubishi calls this "Vertical Line" and "Verticle Line Balance".  I
don't think that's the name I've seen it under before, though.

I know exactly what you are talking about now...

-Larry


> Dave,
> The monitor only has adjustments for "Side-Pin" and "Pin-Balance". Neither
> of which can fix this problem..
> I don't know if I described it quite right, so I'll try again..
> It reaches the horizontal and vertical edges just fine (so, the picture is
a
> square). But more of the information is vertically compressed at the top
> 1/3, and the bottom 2/3 of the picture is vertically stretched. So, while
> I'm reading this message, the top few lines the text seems to be
> not-as-tall, and the last lines are significantly taller.

> I also tried the refresh rates, and they all had the same problem :(

> Mike
> http://mikebeauchamp.com



> >     That sounds like a Pincushion problem.  Your monitor 'should' have
> > adjustments for it...I don't know if ATI has software settings to
control
> > this problem.
> >   You might want to try changing your refresh rate.
> > dave henrie



> > > Hey all..
> > > How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> > > In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according to
> the
> > > manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and
> some
> > of
> > > the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out
> more
> > > and more. Makes no sense...

> > > Here's the problem:

> > > I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and the
> > > computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed adjusting.
So
> I
> > > did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually
> have
> > to
> > > do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the
> first
> > > time.

> > > Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted (stretched
> in
> > > certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is vertically
> > > stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
> > > controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix
it.

> > > I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor),
with
> > no
> > > results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact same
> > > problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a perfect
> > > picture. So it can only be the monitor.

> > > I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I just
> got
> > it
> > > out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never had
a
> > > problem with it yet.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Mike
> > > http://mikebeauchamp.com

Larr

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Larr » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:45:41

I dunno...  My Mitsubishi 2060U 22" (20" viewable) is mighty damned fine,
and it places at the #1 spot or close to it in every test and review I've
ever read that includes it.  It also doesn't have the typical convergence
problems you see on the $1500 Sony that's closest to it.

I paid $799 at MicroCenter about a year and a half ago.

It is still a current model.

-Larry


> VT....

> I think most CRT-type monitors are becoming something of a commodity item.
> Especially considering the price of 21" monitors today, compared to even a
> couple years ago (lower now by a couple thousand dollars).

> I have used KDS, NEC and ADI monitors over the last few years (probably a
> dozen or so of each).  Within that group, the NEC monitors are the best in
> terms of pure graphic quality.  However, if you use your computer
primarily
> for ***, the KDS monitors are more than adequate, especially
considering
> their lower price.  However, individual models within any product line can
> be of more - or less - value and you can't just buy anything....and be
safe.
> Research is tedious, but it pays off in the long run.  I have had hardware
> problems with all three companies....all three responded appropriately
with
> repairs and replacements.  However, I've not bought anything but NEC
> monitors now for about two years.....so I should caution that my
> "experience" with KDS and ADI is getting a bit dated.

> Hope that's helpful.....

> Tom



> > I'm thinking of getting a KDS monitor because they are fairly cheap.
From
> > the sound of it they aren't very good. Do you still have KDS monitors
and
> > after they were replaced.. are they still good?

> > Vintook



> > > Mike.....

> > > Here's what I can think of to check......(and I would guess you've
> already
> > > done these things....but, heck....here goes anyway):

> > > 1.  Hit the "degauss" - just to make sure.
> > > 2.  You have not moved something with a big magnet (like a large
> speaker)
> > > near the monitor?
> > > 3.  The power cord is securely fastened at both ends (the wall outlet,
> > plug
> > > strip....and the back of the monitor).
> > > 4.  When you "swapped" monitors....did you also try swapping the
> cabling?
> > > 5.  You've reduced the overall picture size so you know for sure where
> the
> > > "edges" of the monitor are (and are not distorted).
> > > 6.  You've tried reinstalling the drivers for the monitor (and got
> "fresh"
> > > ones from the KDS site).
> > > 7.  Does changing the "refresh rate" change the distortion pattern in
> any
> > > way?  If it doesn't, I'd say you have a bad power supply or a bad
> electron
> > > gun.  That should be covered under warranty and KDS is pretty good
about
> > > just giving you another monitor (I've had two KDS monitors go bad,
> within
> > > warranty - both because of bad power supplies).

> > > That's all I can think of......sorry.

> > > Tom



> > > > Hey all..
> > > > How Can I reset my KDS  XF-7p Monitor?
> > > > In the onscreen menu, there's a "RECALL" function, which (according
to
> > the
> > > > manual) resets to factory defaults. This is not the case at all, and
> > some
> > > of
> > > > the time "recall" just simply horizontally stretches the picture out
> > more
> > > > and more. Makes no sense...

> > > > Here's the problem:

> > > > I loaded up new Video Card drivers (lastest for radeon 7500), and
the
> > > > computer reset. When it booted back up, the monitor needed
adjusting.
> So
> > I
> > > > did that through the controls on the front of the monitor. I usually
> > have
> > > to
> > > > do this with new video cards, or changing to new resolutions for the
> > first
> > > > time.

> > > > Once I got everything set, the picture was really distorted
(stretched
> > in
> > > > certain places). The middle of the screen and the bottom is
vertically
> > > > stretched, while the top 1/3 gets progressively squished. There's no
> > > > controls on the front to make this sort of a problem, let alone fix
> it.

> > > > I've tried to get rid of the drivers (both video card and monitor),
> with
> > > no
> > > > results. The same monitor on a different computer shows the exact
same
> > > > problem, and a different monitor on the same computer shows a
perfect
> > > > picture. So it can only be the monitor.

> > > > I was hoping there was a way to "reset" the monitor, as though I
just
> > got
> > > it
> > > > out of the box again. It's only 6 months old or so, and I've never
had
> a
> > > > problem with it yet.

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Mike
> > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Larr

OT: KDS Monitor Problem...

by Larr » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:39:30

It almost sounds like you have an incompatible refresh rate going over to
the monitor.

It's also _possible_ that the high-voltage section of your monitor decided
to go south as a coincidence...

Screwed up pictures like that are almost refresh or high-voltage related.

-Larry



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