rec.autos.simulators

by **Eleven** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:45:18

I just bought NASCAR 4 last week and, since I was born, raised and still
live in Georgia, I decided to start testing on the the Atlanta Motorspeedway
track. I have used several setups, attempted to make my own setups and have
consulted (and reconsulted) the setup guide by rodney arndt and, no matter
what I do, nothing has managed to work so far. I can't make 3 laps without
spinning out and hitting the wall. My back tires refuse to bite the asphalt
and stay on the track. It's particularly bad when I'm either entering or
(primarily) exiting the turns but I have managed to spin out on the
straightaways, too. Plus I have a problem of hitting the walls on a
consistent basis (particularly when I'm entering a turn). I'm new to NASCAR
simulations and I want to continue to use N4 because it seems to be so
realistic (I don't like arcade-type games...I only want a fully realistic
game) but these setups are becoming a head-ache.

FWIW, I don't have a wheel & pedal combo, yet, so right now I'm limited to
using a Mad Catz Panther DX joystick and its programmable buttons. I am,
however, considering buying an ACT Labs Force RS wheel/pedal combo and RS
Shifter at a later date when I can afford it.

Can anybody help me out with my problem? Thanks in advance.

ElevenO

by **Gregor Vebl** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:04:02

Hi,

the quote below about answers your question. Atlanta is particularly
sensitive to properly feathering the throttle into and during the turn,
and a joystick is less then optimal for that. Be sure to not assign the
throttle to any of the buttons, but use the movement of your joystick
(forward) instead. Also, with a joystick, try decreasing the steering
sensitivity around the center by either setting the linearity slider to
more non-linear, or adjusting the steering ratio to higher numbers.

Also, let the car settle. It takes quite a while for the car to adjust
to your inputs, and correcting the behaviour before the car settles will
only unsettle the car more. Try driving a few slightly slower laps and
try to change the position of the stick smoothly and slowly in both
axes. You might be surpirsed that after a while you should be going
faster this way.

-Gregor

> FWIW, I don't have a wheel & pedal combo, yet, so right now I'm limited to
> using a Mad Catz Panther DX joystick and its programmable buttons. I am,
> however, considering buying an ACT Labs Force RS wheel/pedal combo and RS
> Shifter at a later date when I can afford it.

by **Glen** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:50:30

If you haven't already, check out this sight....

http://www.team-lightspeed.com/

They have track guides and setups available. Helped me out a ton. And, you
are on the right track with saving for a wheel/pedal combo. My ability to
drive the car improved dramatically after I switched to the Microsoft FF
Wheel/pedal combo.

Glen

>I just bought NASCAR 4 last week and, since I was born, raised and still
>live in Georgia, I decided to start testing on the the Atlanta
Motorspeedway
>track. I have used several setups, attempted to make my own setups and have
>consulted (and reconsulted) the setup guide by rodney arndt and, no matter
>what I do, nothing has managed to work so far. I can't make 3 laps without
>spinning out and hitting the wall. My back tires refuse to bite the asphalt
>and stay on the track. It's particularly bad when I'm either entering or
>(primarily) exiting the turns but I have managed to spin out on the
>straightaways, too. Plus I have a problem of hitting the walls on a
>consistent basis (particularly when I'm entering a turn). I'm new to NASCAR
>simulations and I want to continue to use N4 because it seems to be so
>realistic (I don't like arcade-type games...I only want a fully realistic
>game) but these setups are becoming a head-ache.

>FWIW, I don't have a wheel & pedal combo, yet, so right now I'm limited to
>using a Mad Catz Panther DX joystick and its programmable buttons. I am,
>however, considering buying an ACT Labs Force RS wheel/pedal combo and RS
>Shifter at a later date when I can afford it.

>Can anybody help me out with my problem? Thanks in advance.

>ElevenO

by **ThreeWid** » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:43:10

Also, many believe that the ideal race trim for Atlanta should be loose at
the beginning of a run. The car should come to you as the tires heat up.
Overdriving it early will of course get you into trouble.

However if you are running a short 17 lap sprint, you might not have time to
wait for the car to come in.

I've seen a lot of blown engines in Atlanta sprints, which tells me that
these guys are just rolling the Q setup into the race. Probably not a good
idea.

by **ThreeWid** » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:32:34

Get a good wheel before you start blaming the setup.

There is a very good setup at www.team-lightspeed.com that I have used to
finish top 5 on a number of races.

As far as wheels go, I use a Thomas Stock model Superwheel. You can find
them at www.thomassuperwheel.com

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:20:05

Another item...I always thought Texas was patterned after C***te, not
Atlanta...
indeed Atlanta kept it's origianl turns didn't they? Only blending them
into the
D shape?
dave henrie(most dloaded setups feel loose to me...I usually drop the track
bar a notch ) but then I'm usually slower than the others too :)

> Also, many believe that the ideal race trim for Atlanta should be loose at
> the beginning of a run. The car should come to you as the tires heat up.
> Overdriving it early will of course get you into trouble.

> However if you are running a short 17 lap sprint, you might not have time
to
> wait for the car to come in.

> I've seen a lot of blown engines in Atlanta sprints, which tells me that
> these guys are just rolling the Q setup into the race. Probably not a
good
> idea.

> > I just bought NASCAR 4 last week and, since I was born, raised and still
> > live in Georgia, I decided to start testing on the the Atlanta
> Motorspeedway
> > track. I have used several setups, attempted to make my own setups and
> have
> > consulted (and reconsulted) the setup guide by rodney arndt and, no
matter
> > what I do, nothing has managed to work so far. I can't make 3 laps
without
> > spinning out and hitting the wall. My back tires refuse to bite the
> asphalt
> > and stay on the track. It's particularly bad when I'm either entering or
> > (primarily) exiting the turns but I have managed to spin out on the
> > straightaways, too. Plus I have a problem of hitting the walls on a
> > consistent basis (particularly when I'm entering a turn). I'm new to
> NASCAR
> > simulations and I want to continue to use N4 because it seems to be so
> > realistic (I don't like arcade-type games...I only want a fully
realistic
> > game) but these setups are becoming a head-ache.

> > FWIW, I don't have a wheel & pedal combo, yet, so right now I'm limited
to
> > using a Mad Catz Panther DX joystick and its programmable buttons. I
am,
> > however, considering buying an ACT Labs Force RS wheel/pedal combo and
RS
> > Shifter at a later date when I can afford it.

> > Can anybody help me out with my problem? Thanks in advance.

> > ElevenO

by **George Lewi** » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:19:21

The steering wheel and pedals will definately make a HUGE difference.
there is an adjustment period though, but for the most part you'll do
alot better when you get that wheel/pedal setup.

If you're hitting the walls entering the corner you are probably
pushing. If your back end is coming around, you're way loose. A
simple adjustment is to SLOW DOWN entering the turn. So back off the
gas alot sooner and then start adjusting - backing out less sooner
till you have the entry into the corner without pushing or getting
loose.

Other than that, there are lots of setup changes you can do, like the
trackbar, tire pressures, springs and shocks. But the forward weight
on the car is something you should look at. move it all the way
forward. try a few laps. move it all the way back. try a few laps. try
it in the middle. get an idea for what feels right for you.

Of course, the wedge adjustment will usually fix some tight or loose
conditions quickly. the other adjustments are more for fine tuning.

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