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by **Matt & Ton** » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Dammit, I read that! I must be doing something wrong here. I really hold

Allison's comments in pretty high regard, considering all of her work
with GPL... But I get nothing! She said she can feel more downforce at
higher speeds... what did I***up in my LWFF profile? I actually have

my centering spring and FF effects set on 150% and I get nada. Anybody
have a profile they want to post or possibly send me? I really want FF
in this game other than in the pits, but I think I get more road
resposnse from my non-FF
Thrustmaster GP1 wheel. Besides, my crew *hates* it when i race around
in the pits
checking out the forces!
PLEASE?!?!?!?!?

Warlock!

> >>Sorry, don't agree with you here. For another opinion, look at
> Alison
> >>Hine's respected site http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> and the
> >>F1 2000 link.
> >>Iain

by **Greg Cisk** » Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yes I read that at her website too. I did some testing with my LWFF
this morning. I found that with the centering spring OFF you definately
feel the FF while in the pits. At soon as your front tires pass the orange
speed line at pit exit, all FF is lost for all practical purposes.

I tried setting the spring centering as she said and tried both 100%
and 50% for spring centering strength. I honestly did not feel the
effects she mentioned at all. In fact I believe she was just plain
mistaken. The best "feel" with those setups was when I had the
spring centering turned on and the centering force set to 50%.

There is enough FF in silverstone to feel the bumps at the
2 slowest turns on the track. You just do not feel loading and
unloading in the turns which for me is the biggie.

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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Greg,
I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the
steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in resistance
when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring strength
aren't you? It's not really the same thing.
Iain

> > Dammit, I read that! I must be doing something wrong here. I really hold

> > Allison's comments in pretty high regard, considering all of her work
> > with GPL... But I get nothing! She said she can feel more downforce at
> > higher speeds... what did I***up in my LWFF profile? I actually have

> Yes I read that at her website too. I did some testing with my LWFF
> this morning. I found that with the centering spring OFF you definately
> feel the FF while in the pits. At soon as your front tires pass the orange
> speed line at pit exit, all FF is lost for all practical purposes.

> I tried setting the spring centering as she said and tried both 100%
> and 50% for spring centering strength. I honestly did not feel the
> effects she mentioned at all. In fact I believe she was just plain
> mistaken. The best "feel" with those setups was when I had the
> spring centering turned on and the centering force set to 50%.

> > my centering spring and FF effects set on 150% and I get nada. Anybody
> > have a profile they want to post or possibly send me? I really want FF
> > in this game other than in the pits, but I think I get more road
> > resposnse from my non-FF

> There is enough FF in silverstone to feel the bumps at the
> 2 slowest turns on the track. You just do not feel loading and
> unloading in the turns which for me is the biggie.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

CenteringSpring Strength. I am also not talking about loading & unloading
during major "offs" or lightening of the steering load that you describe on
the kerbs. I am talking about feeling the loading & unloading of the chassis
in turns while still one the track. No way do I feel that. And that is one
of the
things Alison boasted as liking. At least that is how I read that part of
her
web site. I am saying she is mistaken to think you can get loading/unloading
type of feedback while driving the track. A cool feature which F1RS has
(but only when you use the MSFF wheel) is that you definately feel the
tension loosen as you lose grip in turns. That gives you immediate feed-
back on how the car is handling, making driving easier and FF more than
a gimmick. Sadly (and IMHO surprisingly) the LWFF does not give the
same type of effect in F1RS.

GPL has awesome FF and so does F1 2000, as long as you stay
in the pits ;-)

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by **Mel Lanzer Co** » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Iain...
Centering spring or not, it feels like there is a switch (to me) that is
automatically flicked off as soon as you cross the line coming out of the pits
(and flicked on again as soon as you cross the line entering the pits). It feels
as tho all FF road friction is turned off (no resistance at all when turning the
wheel, even at high speeds). I feel bumps, curbs, edge of road (not quite as
much as in SCGT here), but I get no "tracking" feel, meaning no resistance to
the steering wheel when all wheels are aligned but feeling pressure when turning
the wheel as the tires try to return to the path of least resistance (i.e.,
straight ahead). Enter the pits again and it feels great. Considering that some
people say the FF is great & others feel it doesn't exist, maybe it's an
anomally... I dunno... I'm stumped. And Pissed. I love the game, but I get a
better fell when the FF is turned off. What are you're settings at?

Warlock!

> Greg,
> I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the
> steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in resistance
> when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring strength
> aren't you? It's not really the same thing.
> Iain

by **Joel Willstei** » Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> > Greg,
> > I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the
> > steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in
resistance
> > when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring
strength
> > aren't you? It's not really the same thing.

> CenteringSpring Strength. I am also not talking about loading & unloading
> during major "offs" or lightening of the steering load that you describe
on
> the kerbs. I am talking about feeling the loading & unloading of the
chassis
> in turns while still one the track. No way do I feel that. And that is one
> of the
> things Alison boasted as liking. At least that is how I read that part of
> her
> web site. I am saying she is mistaken to think you can get
loading/unloading
> type of feedback while driving the track. A cool feature which F1RS has
> (but only when you use the MSFF wheel) is that you definately feel the
> tension loosen as you lose grip in turns. That gives you immediate feed-
> back on how the car is handling, making driving easier and FF more than
> a gimmick. Sadly (and IMHO surprisingly) the LWFF does not give the
> same type of effect in F1RS.

> GPL has awesome FF and so does F1 2000, as long as you stay
> in the pits ;-)

I to have to disagree with Alison about the FF effects in F1 2000,
there just isn't any besides going over the curbs. I've tried with the
centering spring and without, and the end result is exactly the same: NONE.

Joel Willstein

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